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Title: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 05, 2017, 04:13:04 PM
Given that Mike P.  wants all our OT posts in this section, I invite all members interested in talking about baseball from the years of our youth, to make any such posts here.  Having been raised in Canada, but spending parts of most summers with relatives in Chicago from 1951 until moving there in 1963, I was a Cubs and White Sox fan.  I followed baseball from 1951 until mid 1972, when I relocated to The Netherlands.  I paid most attention to it from 1953-1965.  I was also a fan of The Milwaukee Braves.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Mike Paladino on February 05, 2017, 04:32:22 PM
Correct ALL OT posts belong in this category. If not, can some one explain to the board what sports or anything else has to do with  DOO-WOP and Oldies music.
I created this board years and years ago for music aficionados in the DOO-WOP or Oldies genre. If anyone wants to capitalize in sports or any other subject, that is fine but I suggest you find that board and leave here.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 05, 2017, 05:10:33 PM
Going to  SBowl  party now.

Glad tofind this.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 05, 2017, 05:16:45 PM
I agree Mike.  I would like all of us who posted off topic to delete those posts, and if they want them to be moved here we'd either have to copy our own and re-order them here, which is not likely to be accomplished.  I'm afraid it's not likely that all members who made this posts won't delete them voluntarily.  In some cases, the website administrator deletes those posts, and some of them copy them and move them, en masse, to their appropriate OT threads.  But, that takes time, and we couldn't have the right to even suggest you do that, as WE were the ones who broke the rules.  It seems that IF you want those OT posts from the few recent OT hijacked and dominated threads removed, you could delete them yourself, or, if that would much of your valuable time, you could "order" us to delete them ourselves, under threat of temporary banning.  If the latter might cause bad feelings and drive some members away (and we're short of posters now), you could request that we remove those posts, and relocate them to the appropriate OT threads.  I don't mean to overstep my bounds here, and do appreciate the time (and probably money) that you put into this, that allows us this entertainment.  But, I am on the same side as you, in wanting those hijacked threads to be cleaned up.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 05, 2017, 05:29:12 PM
Robb, I am happy to delete my posts. And, for what it's worth, I DON"t think they should "migrate" over to this forum. Let's start clean here so we can gauge interest!

How do you delete? Hit the little diamond-shaped thing in the lower right? Then hit cancel? Or something else? Never done before.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Mike Paladino on February 05, 2017, 11:59:34 PM
There is delete button at the top right of the post.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 06, 2017, 09:38:04 AM
There is delete button at the top right of the post.

Mike, sent you a PM on this.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Mike Paladino on February 06, 2017, 11:59:57 AM
There is delete button at the top right of the post.

Mike, sent you a PM on this.

Message sent.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 06, 2017, 11:54:05 PM
No  ego  here--delete  my  sports posts--BUT NOT  TONY  ORLANDO ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 07, 2017, 09:41:53 AM
Mike tells me only administrators can delete.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 08, 2017, 02:05:13 PM
Doctor, those adult baseball camps with the Dodgers:

- Roger Kahn's Boys of Summer is my favorite baseball book. I'm SURE he glossed over the "warts and all" stuff like might be found in Bouton's Ball Four or Canseco's exposes. Still, its description of the glory years of the Brooklyn Dodgers just connected me to my youth so well. (Think millions of others felt the same).

- Hard to believe Snider and Reese and others lived just like any other regular Joe in Bay Ridge. Or that Erskine could be such a genuine nice guy with no ego.

- How long did it take you at your first camp to feel at ease with these guys? Who were the friendliest and most standoffish (if you don't wanna go there, I understand)? 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 08, 2017, 03:39:32 PM
Joe--Erskine is now  90--and a true gentleman  as was   Branca.  They had a regular crew from Bklyn--Labine Snider  Erskine   Roe  and Branca.I  Began in 1990.  Campy was there. He was too sick and only was available by phone  next 2 yrs. I  Believe. 

They start Sun nite with cocktail  party.  I introduced myself to Roy and had to hold back the tears.  That's wen he told me about David   Campanella.

They mixed  in LA guys--Monday, Smith,  Garveey, Cey,  Lopes, Russell.

Guys from Vero would come  by--Koufax, Abrams.

Johnstone and Yeager were great.   Cey not too  warm. Garvey a bit better.


They get graded --if no   good  not invited back.  --eg Willie Davis,  Loes. Altho i liked Loes. 

As could be expected   many collectors--go crazy  with their autograhs etc.   Usually  4 teams-- 50-60  campers  . Game or 2  /day dinner nite.

Cost about $4k--players  get about that plus  food, air fare etc.  Most see it like reunion.    I'l l  discuss it more  next post.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 08, 2017, 11:10:16 PM
These  camps started  in   1983-84.  Cubs had 1st  one Now all  do.   I knew about  it  for a couple yrs --kept asking ??of guys Iknew whowent--my ??  was--Dou get treated  like a peer  or  autograph crazy fan. Got rave reviews so  went.   

There wasa hardballrevival in us  in 1980 or so. Started  I believe on LI.  Some  leagues  have  tobe over 40, 50,58 etc.  So allthe softballguys  changed.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 08, 2017, 11:24:28 PM
I never was an autograph collector. Occasionally, when baseball card shows were at their peak in the late 80s and 90s, I'd be in a mall and you'd see a guy like Monte Irvin just sitting there alone, no one coming up to him. Kids didn't know who he was.

Then, at the big card shows in those "exposition halls," you'd have Mays, DiMaggio, etc who were paid a nice bump to be there and then got a fee for items (like bats) that they signed. An IRS nightmare as all cash. Had a friend who went to those big time shows. Was turned off by how those superstars just kept their heads down, no chit chat, move along, and out the back door to the limo to the airport. People stood in line for hours. I can see both sides.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 08, 2017, 11:27:01 PM
So now good hs  or college players  don't have to play softball in  30s-40s.

Have to  be 30 to  go  to camps.

Can also   get  inside  dope on famous people who   go.  Played with Bryan Cranston--good SS.  John Ritter-terrible. tim hauser--fair.Spike Lee-ok


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 09, 2017, 09:13:02 AM
What was average age attending? Oldest guy (non-player)? No, I'm not thinking of going! Just wondering.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 09, 2017, 07:51:13 PM
Most guys(plus few  females)  start   40+.   Then keep  going if like  it.Herbie Lewis--played to 90.  Most   in 30s  need  $4k  for  other  thhings.


Interesting  to  see up  close and  personal  Lee, Ritter, Cranston,Hauser  etc.   I'll  give my anaysis  later.

The  only  autographs I  got were  on items--pix  etc that I got  there. Some guys there  were among top  couple  Dodger  collectors--Mantle collectors etc.

Where I met Sal LaRocca--the bouncer from Pepp Lounge.

Being from  LA area the campers here   have a  local  league.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 09, 2017, 08:00:48 PM
Dodgers gave up Vero Beach didn't they? Where do they train now?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 09, 2017, 09:10:59 PM
Yes--sold Vero  to  some business in Fl. /city/county etc. Still used   for conventions etc.

Now in  Glendale Az--I believe--share  withh White  sox. They still are  trying to get  camps going there--not too successfully I hear.

Cranston--very  nice guy.   Ritter--silly. Refused to shower  in locker room  went back to  private room.

Hauser--nice guy.LOVES doo wop.  RIP

Lee--no  good.  I was wearing a Ravens T shirt--he asked me who  they were --said he started  with  Teenagers.

He was there mainly to   interview  BKlyn  guys who played  with jackie.  was  planning on  doing  a movie like "42. " To  come  out in 1997--50th anniverasary  of Jackie.

Rachel  Robinson   said no as did MLB--afraid he would be too  racist.  Good  decision


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 09, 2017, 09:30:44 PM
Yes--sold Vero  to  some business in Fl. /city/county etc. Still used   for conventions etc.

Now in  Glendale Az--I believe--share  withh White  sox. They still are  trying to get  camps going there--not too successfully I hear.

Cranston--very  nice guy.   Ritter--silly. Refused to shower  in locker room  went back to  private room.

Hauser--nice guy.LOVES doo wop.  RIP

Lee--no  good.  I was wearing a Ravens T shirt--he asked me who  they were --said he started  with  Teenagers.

He was there mainly to   interview  BKlyn  guys who played  with jackie.  was  planning on  doing  a movie like "42. " To  come  out in 1997--50th anniverasary  of Jackie.

Rachel  Robinson   said no as did MLB--afraid he would be too  racist.  Good  decision

Cranston is one hell of an actor (not just based on Breaking Bad). A REAL talent! Glad to hear he's a good guy too.

Glendale and the whole west side of Phoenix, UGH!! Too bad they couldn't get Scottsdale or an East Valley site. Or Tucson.

Like most fans, I've seen a ton of interviews, movies, read books, etc about Jackie. I came away with two major takeaways beyond his undeniable athletic talent: (1) Jackie was a very complex personality, many good, some hard to take traits;  and (2) Rachel was a genuine heroine who did more for Jackie's success than anyone will really ever know. Epitome of strong woman.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 09, 2017, 09:36:53 PM
Rite Joe--  now ALL teams nr Phoenix.  White Sox  used to train in Tucson w/DBacks. Now  NO  teams in Tucson.


You're  right about  Rachel--never met her  --but very  helpful  to Jack.

Like Roxy campanella  who married Roy after his accident.  Very  caring lady. But she did sell allRoys memorabilia. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 09, 2017, 09:43:23 PM
Rite Joe--  now ALL teams nr Phoenix.  White Sox  used to train in Tucson w/DBacks. Now  NO  teams in Tucson.


You're  right about  Rachel--never met her  --but very  helpful  to Jack.

Like Roxy campanella  who married Roy after his accident.  Very  caring lady. But she did sell allRoys memorabilia. ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

You don't say, about Tucson. Indians trained there forever.

As for Roy, wonder what his financial situation was like? I mean, even big stars like him weren't paid all that much back in the 50s. Did the Dodgers employ him all those years? Polar opposite in terms of personality from Jackie.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 09, 2017, 10:08:06 PM
Probably--not great. Pension--wat was in  60s -70s?

I do  recall a TV  show  Campy's Corner--maybe  late 50s  for yr or so.

Roy  could  not sign--otherwise would have been at all autograph shows. 

Heard  a fan handed Mays a black pen--Mays intentionaly used a blue pen.

Those autugraph seekers are nuts. ::) ::) ::) ::)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 09, 2017, 10:19:54 PM
Probably--not great. Pension--wat was in  60s -70s?

I do  recall a TV  show  Campy's Corner--maybe  late 50s  for yr or so.

Roy  could  not sign--otherwise would have been at all autograph shows. 

Heard  a fan handed Mays a black pen--Mays intentionaly used a blue pen.

Those autugraph seekers are nuts. ::) ::) ::) ::)

Campy's Corner -- had forgotten about that show until you mentioned. Happy Felton never did it for me.

Willie had a prickly personality, especially after his on the field career. Lotta built up resentment with Jackie, Willie and Frank Robinson, Great HoFers all. Not so much with the Campy's, Larry Doby's, Hank Aaron's, Monte Irvin's,etc. Newcombe was the opposite of Willie; mellowed out as he aged (but have to factor his drinking problem in his case).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 09, 2017, 11:49:52 PM
Rite--there  is  one felton  on kinescope. The guy  Doak Ewing  sells it  in Evansville. reese  and robinson.  Great to see them with  kids.

Heard  Mays  was upset in SF--not as popular as Cepeda,then McCovey.   Once went to  LAX to pick  up  Pookie Hudson.  Mays was on flight. Before 9-11 could meet as they got off plane. Willie  ignored the crowd.

Interesting  wat went on in the 50s --60s. remember  Rocky Marciano's TV show. Was big boxing fan with pop. Wed  nite  Pabst  from Chicago, Fri nite MSG  with Jimmy Powers. Those were announced  on  radio by Dunphy  and Win Elliot  as sidekick.

Mon nite was st nicholas  or sunnyside gardens



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 09:32:27 AM
Wonder if Pookie and Mays knew who the other was. I doubt it (esp Mays knowing Pookie).

Boxing, oh man. What a golden era. Loved Carmen Basilio, about as tough as they come. Back in the 50s I could names 20+ fighters, now -- next to none.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 02:04:04 PM
Brooklyn Mike said on hockey thread: "I think a recent article said Ausmus is currently team manager for Israel in the WBC, and Shawn Green & Gabe Kapler are currently player-coaches (or coaches only - don't recall). I think I also saw where Ike currently has a minor league contract wit the standard spring training invite from one of the MLB squads."
   
When I think of Jewish ballplayers, I think of Hank Greenberg and Moe Berg. Hank's been mentioned often, but has Moe? Graduated from Princeton and Columbia Law, played for a half dozen teams before WWII, and ended up working for the CIA-predecessor, the OSS, as a spy.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 10, 2017, 02:39:37 PM
Eddie Mathews was at a baseball card show here in Seattle many moons ago and was able to talk to him and get his autograph.  Nice man to talk to.  I'm not an autograph seeker but since Eddie is my all time favorite player I took my Hall Of Fame book and had him sign it.  Only other autograph I have is from the country duet Jim Ed Brown & Helen Cornelius when we saw them in Pigeon Forge several years ago, really nice people.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 05:51:51 PM
Eddie Mathews was at a baseball card show here in Seattle many moons ago and was able to talk to him and get his autograph.  Nice man to talk to.  I'm not an autograph seeker but since Eddie is my all time favorite player I took my Hall Of Fame book and had him sign it.  Only other autograph I have is from the country duet Jim Ed Brown & Helen Cornelius when we saw them in Pigeon Forge several years ago, really nice people.

I was into baseball cards when I was a kid. Had the entire 1954 Bowman series of baseball cards (the ones framed in TV sets, and featuring the umpires too). My mom never threw them out, and they were all in verey good shape.

Many of my friends would take their baseball cards to Yankee Stadium or the Polo Grounds or Ebbets to try to get autographs on them. Glad I didn't because when I sold the set for a couple grand 15+ years ago, the dealer told me if any were autographed, they'd lose significant value. Collectors considered it a "mar" just like writing on a 45 rpm collectable record. I'm sure a card autographed by a HoFer would still have been worth a lot but ... in a different market!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 10, 2017, 08:17:02 PM
Loved basilio  too. Loved his fites with  Robinson. 

Was on a great special  with Bert Sugar  and Brian Kenney--ESPN.  BTW, Kenney from Levittown


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 08:32:13 PM
Loved to hear Bert Sugar talk, about anything. A real renaissance man. Boxing was his best topic, though.

I'm an old school guy like Chris Russo when it comes to the Sabermetrics stuff that Brian Kenny specializes in. Read his book. Very logical and convincing but that "science" is not for me. Mad Dog, btw, was born in Syosset, lived there until age 15. Went to Syosset Junior High, then St. Paul's in Garden City for two years, then to an upstate boarding school.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 10, 2017, 08:45:29 PM
Father,Italian from BKLYN,  mom British.  Dont have SIRIUS  now.   Is still  on ESPN?  Like his  TV show yrs ago w/Francesa. -From  LB LI.

Siuger  I recall  was a collector--BB cards?

Now there 's another mad dog in the news.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 10, 2017, 09:00:36 PM
Brooklyn Mike said on hockey thread: "I think a recent article said Ausmus is currently team manager for Israel in the WBC, and Shawn Green & Gabe Kapler are currently player-coaches (or coaches only - don't recall). I think I also saw where Ike currently has a minor league contract wit the standard spring training invite from one of the MLB squads."
   
When I think of Jewish ballplayers, I think of Hank Greenberg and Moe Berg. Hank's been mentioned often, but has Moe? Graduated from Princeton and Columbia Law, played for a half dozen teams before WWII, and ended up working for the CIA-predecessor, the OSS, as a spy.
I mentioned him in the OT thread that spawned this new OT Forum Section, and also mentioned that he had been a spy for The US during WWII.  I guess his fluent Yiddish was invaluable allowing him to be able to read and understand German.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 10, 2017, 09:14:46 PM
Joe what did boxer Ted Lowry  do? No cheating.  Nobody else did it.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 09:18:41 PM
Father,Italian from BKLYN,  mom British.  Dont have SIRIUS  now.   Is still  on ESPN?  Like his  TV show yrs ago w/Francesa. -From  LB LI.

Siuger  I recall  was a collector--BB cards?

Now there 's another mad dog in the news.

Russo is on TV every day from 1-2 pm EST on the MLB Network (where Kenney also hangs out). Russo's show is called "High Heat."  Don't know what PST start time might be. Voice is as grating as ever.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 10, 2017, 09:20:34 PM
Hedy Lamarr--most beautiful  facially  have ever seen. Hedwig Kiesler--Jewish from  Austria   Invented all  sorts of stuf  for WWf.  Radio  controlled  toepedos ,,  frequency hopping which helped advent of cellphones.

Groucho  had a great line about Hedy wen asked his  opinion of  "Samson & Delilah. " I don't  like movies wen the male  star (Mature) has bigger breasts than the female-"-Hedy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 09:21:29 PM
Brooklyn Mike said on hockey thread: "I think a recent article said Ausmus is currently team manager for Israel in the WBC, and Shawn Green & Gabe Kapler are currently player-coaches (or coaches only - don't recall). I think I also saw where Ike currently has a minor league contract wit the standard spring training invite from one of the MLB squads."
   
When I think of Jewish ballplayers, I think of Hank Greenberg and Moe Berg. Hank's been mentioned often, but has Moe? Graduated from Princeton and Columbia Law, played for a half dozen teams before WWII, and ended up working for the CIA-predecessor, the OSS, as a spy.
I mentioned him in the OT thread that spawned this new OT Forum Section, and also mentioned that he had been a spy for The US during WWII.  I guess his fluent Yiddish was invaluable allowing him to be able to read and understand German.

Yes you did, Robb. My apologies. Retention ain't what it used to be. Casey Stengel called Berg the "weirdest guy in baseball." Not sure why but a guess would be that Berg was on a whole other level intellectually from his baseball peers back then.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 10, 2017, 09:21:59 PM
High heat on  at nite 11-12--in CA.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 09:23:20 PM
Joe what did boxer Ted Lowry  do? No cheating.  Nobody else did it.

Don't know the name. Should I be ashamed of myself?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 10, 2017, 09:25:33 PM
High heat on  at nite 11-12--in CA.

That's odd, especially with Sirius making him less regional. Gotta be a ratings killer. Shaking my head. 1 pm in the east, 11 pm in the west???


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 10, 2017, 09:59:05 PM
Let me investigate further. 

No I didn't  know  either until  told by boxing nut friend.  Lowry  --believe lite black from Connecticut?--  went ten rounds TWICE with Rocky--never knocked out--and did it twice.

Amazing he is  not  better known.  Guess he never  got a title shot.

You know styles make  fites as they  used to say.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 11, 2017, 02:15:41 AM
Most obscure Jewish baseball player - that I actually met (also the only one I've ever met) - introduced to me by my dad - one Bob Berman. This would have been in the 1970's. Claimed to have caught Walter Johnson with the Washington Senators. Told stories about The Big Train and Ty Cobb. Much to my surprise, my post-meeting research confirmed it was true. Berman appeared in exactly two games for the 1918 Washington Senators. I remember him telling me he had gone on to be a school teacher in the NYC public school system, primarily with Franklin K. Lane HS, a well-known school locally. It seems that my dad had run into him in our building complex in Rockaway Beach where we all lived at the time, and became his friend/acquaintance.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 11, 2017, 03:05:30 AM
Franklin K lane-near     Kings Cty  Hosp.   Home of Hawkins(Boys)  nemesis  Roger Brown.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 11, 2017, 09:35:23 AM
Spoke once with Richie Havens when he was playing a club in DC where I worked P/T on the door (back in 1967-8). He went to Lane. He also sang some doowop there. This was a couple years before Woodstock appearance as opening act.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 11, 2017, 01:25:17 PM
Never saw wat peope liked  about Havens.


Guess  folkstyle--60s hippies.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 11, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
Never saw wat peope liked  about Havens.


Guess  folkstyle--60s hippies.

I didn't either. That open guitar tuning and fast strumming got monotonous, fast. Still, didn't stop me from chatting with him during a set break!

Shoulda used Bert Sommer footage in Woodstock movie instead of Havens (if they wanted to try to "break" a new artist).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 11, 2017, 06:50:51 PM
Who  is Summer?

Havens was  helped  by being in NYC  nr Fillmore east etc.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 11, 2017, 07:50:07 PM
Who  is Summer?

Havens was  helped  by being in NYC  nr Fillmore east etc.

Bert Sommer was a former member of the baroque rock group, The Left Banke. They had the 1966-67 hits, "Walk Away, Renee," and "Pretty Ballerina." Reportedly, Sommer got the only standing ovation at Woodstock in '69. His song below was squeezed out of the film in the very last cut. Big potential career folded. Pretty boy hippie type from Albany who also was in original "Hair" on B'way. Died young.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB1pV8zRVaw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB1pV8zRVaw)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 11, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
Back to baseball. Short clip of former Dodgers great, Roy Campanella, eight months after the car crash that left him disabled for the rest of his life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDSo8UMcFqk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDSo8UMcFqk)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 11, 2017, 11:50:31 PM
Was  he the Group  member busted with a truk  of weed?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 12, 2017, 01:33:59 PM
Most underrated ChiSox player in the 1950s (team and era I followed closely) has to be Catcher Sherm Lollar.

Fine offensive player who made himself into a Gold Glove catcher (well, Paul Richards surely helped there). He almost never struck out, hit with a lot of power (even in that cavern they called Comiskey Park). Had a better career on base percentage than Yogi, who he was always overshadowed by.

Died in his early 50s I think.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 12, 2017, 03:12:34 PM
I remember Sherm Lollar well. Part of the '59 go-go White Sox with Klu/Torgeson on 1B, N Fox at 2B, Aparicio at SS, Turk Lown, Billy Pierce, Early Wynn, Al Smith, Jerry Staley, etc.

Lollar's 1960 Topps card had a red panelled bottom.

All that from top of head. Cheated and looked up the fact that he did indeed die in his early 50's - listed as cancer. 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 12, 2017, 04:56:32 PM
Led  league in hit into DPs ,rite?    And  Jensen.

Forgotten man. 3B  on 59 sos--Bubba Phillips


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 12, 2017, 06:30:30 PM
Led  league in hit into DPs ,rite?    And  Jensen.

Forgotten man. 3B  on 59 sos--Bubba Phillips

3B was the weak position link on that team, if I recall. Think maybe Sammy Esposito and Gene Freese may even have played some games there in '59. In addition to Phillips I guess.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 12, 2017, 07:01:24 PM
Led  league in hit into DPs ,rite?    And  Jensen.

Forgotten man. 3B  on 59 sos--Bubba Phillips

3B was the weak position link on that team, if I recall. Think maybe Sammy Esposito and Gene Freese may even have played some games there in '59. In addition to Phillips I guess.
That's right.  They had Al Smith there for one year , Gene Freese, George Kell, Bob Elliott, Cass Michaels. Sammy Esposito, Freddie Hatfield, Billy Goodman, Ray Boone, Bubba Phillips and others.  It was a mess.  They never did solidify it.  They had Fox at 2nd, and Aparicio at short for a long time, and Lollar at catcher, Minoso, and Rivera in the outfield.  First base was also a revolving door, just like 3rd (Eddie Robinson, Ferris Fain, Walt Dropo, Earl Torgeson, Ray Boone, Roy Sievers)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 12, 2017, 07:20:24 PM
If Yogi had been a right-handed batter and Lollar a left-handed hitter, those careers might've been switched. Yanks had them both but decided to keep Berra due to short right field porch at Yankee Stadium.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 12, 2017, 07:39:07 PM
A good place to get info is baseball reference.com.  Not only individual but team stats from each year.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 12, 2017, 08:57:52 PM
Dont forget Jim  landis--CF  and Mcanany_RF

Was  bob shaw  P--mentioned?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 12, 2017, 09:23:24 PM
Jim Landis really good outfielder.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 12, 2017, 09:27:11 PM
Jim Landis really good outfielder.

A lot of tools but hitting wasn't one of them.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 13, 2017, 12:48:33 AM
Jim Landis really good outfielder.

A lot of tools but hitting wasn't one of them.
He was a great fielder and had a great strong, accurate arm.  But he was only an average hitter, and subpar for an outfielder.  But. averages were very low in Comisky.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 13, 2017, 01:10:39 AM
Dick Donovan was another Chisox pitcher of some skill during the era discussed. And a young Earl Battey, later to star for twins, was back-up to Lollar in '59.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2017, 08:51:31 AM
Dick Donovan was another Chisox pitcher of some skill during the era discussed. And a young Earl Battey, later to star for twins, was back-up to Lollar in '59.

Definitely. Great pitcher. Wasn't Battey one of those "Bonus Baby types) where he took up a roster spot but never/rarely played. Bad trade there!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2017, 08:55:56 AM
Jim Landis really good outfielder.

A lot of tools but hitting wasn't one of them.
He was a great fielder and had a great strong, accurate arm.  But he was only an average hitter, and subpar for an outfielder.  But. averages were very low in Comisky.

I always judged hitters back then by how they fared against the elite pitchers. Fox and Minoso were clutch in that regard. Aparicio at least had a ton of speed which made him a dangerous little hitter and a terror on the bases.

I don't have any stats in front of me but my mind's eye recalls guys like Landis, Jim Rivera, Phillips, et al as pretty much automatic outs against a Ford or Reynolds or a Lopat. Eddie Lopat was a guy, IMO, who was always VASTLY underrated. Junk ball master.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 13, 2017, 10:57:11 AM
I don't have any stats in front of me but my mind's eye recalls guys like Landis, Jim Rivera, Phillips, et al as pretty much automatic outs against a Ford or Reynolds or a Lopat. Eddie Lopat was a guy, IMO, who was always VASTLY underrated. Junk ball master.

Lopat (Lopatynski) was The Chisox's Ace for many years before being traded to The Yankees.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2017, 11:20:34 AM
I don't have any stats in front of me but my mind's eye recalls guys like Landis, Jim Rivera, Phillips, et al as pretty much automatic outs against a Ford or Reynolds or a Lopat. Eddie Lopat was a guy, IMO, who was always VASTLY underrated. Junk ball master.

Lopat (Lopatynski) was The Chisox's Ace for many years before being traded to The Yankees.

Yes he was. Terrible trade for the CWS.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 13, 2017, 12:10:15 PM
'59 WS was my first - watched it all  on TV - age 7. Dodgers - White Sox after my (newly discovered) Yankees could muster no better than a 3rd place finish. And I had been "taught" that the Yankees were supposed to win every year!

Dodgers WS stars included young rookie reliever Larry Sherry, and a personal favorite - typical journeyman with flashes of brilliance - particularly in the '59 WS, the immortal Chuck Essegian (yellow bottom on '60 BB card).       


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2017, 12:21:47 PM
'59 WS was my first - watched it all  on TV - age 7. Dodgers - White Sox after my (newly discovered) Yankees could muster no better than a 3rd place finish. And I had been "taught" that the Yankees were supposed to win every year!

Dodgers WS stars included young rookie reliever Larry Sherry, and a personal favorite - typical journeyman with flashes of brilliance - particularly in the '59 WS, the immortal Chuck Essegian (yellow bottom on '60 BB card).       

Remember Sherry and Essegian well. Unlikely heroes. Actually, the best baseball was in the best-of-three NL Playoff Series between LA and Milwaukee (featured two thrilling one run games)! Sherry was big in that series too.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 13, 2017, 03:57:55 PM
Essegian  loved  the Coliseum.  He set  a pinch hit HR  record   in a series--was it  the 59?

The 59  playoffs was the  only time in 67 yr career  that scully  showed  was a fan. AsDodgers  beat braves in 12th inning -forget whogot hit Hodges?

He yelled WE go  to  Chcago"


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2017, 05:46:09 PM
Roseboro won the first playoff game on a solo HR.

In the second game, both teams got out of extra innings bases loaded situations. Furillo got credited with a single but the winning run scored on a throwing error. Two outs when that happened. Think Spahn relieved and blew a save (in the 9th??).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 13, 2017, 06:48:42 PM
Thanx  Joe.  Scully  was such  a fine announcer--and person--that he forever  regretted  yelling WE.

Was  it an error  by future  Met Felix  Mantilla?  Or Logan?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 13, 2017, 10:09:23 PM
Thanx  Joe.  Scully  was such  a fine announcer--and person--that he forever  regretted  yelling WE.

Was  it an error  by future  Met Felix  Mantilla?  Or Logan?
I remember being angry at Mantilla.  I was a braves fan.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2017, 10:19:22 PM
Logan got injured and left game early. Mantilla, filling in. Bog difference -- Johnny was a steady veteran, Mantilla an erratic young guy.

Had to be a throwing error (one of those you just wanna hold onto the ball when you knock it down). Furillo, especially at that stage of career, wasn't fast so I guess Felix thought he had a chance. I was rooting for Braves as well. I was mad at two other guys -- Spahnie for blowing a save, and Adcock for not coming through with bases loaded (think that was in the 10th, maybe 11th).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 13, 2017, 11:40:47 PM
That's why the Amazins  took Mantilla.

Stengel  about  Greg G oosen--20yr old phenom:  "In 10 yrs he has a good chance to be 30" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 14, 2017, 01:30:30 AM
Attention--Just received word  that the COMPLETE  game 2  of 57  series  has surfaced. Announced by  M Allen and Al  Helfer.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 14, 2017, 01:33:01 AM
Said about Mantilla as Mets SS:

If the ball was hit to his left he dove to his left and made a wonderful play.

If the ball was hit to his right he dove to his left and.............. ::)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 14, 2017, 01:37:57 AM
Didn't Mantilla go to the Redsox and hit about 20 home runs one year?????


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 14, 2017, 02:37:38 AM
Didn't Mantilla go to the Redsox and hit about 20 home runs one year?????

22 if I remember correctly.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 14, 2017, 03:16:20 AM
Felix Mantilla:
1964 30 HR/64 RBI/.289 BA
1965 18 HR/92 RBI/.275 BA

Stats per baseball reference.com


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 14, 2017, 09:34:17 AM
That's why the Amazins  took Mantilla.

Stengel  about  Greg G oosen--20yr old phenom:  "In 10 yrs he has a good chance to be 30" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Gotta love Stengel. Born and raised in Kansas City (KC=Casey, get it) but lived his adult life in Glendale, Ca. He and Edna had bought a lot of property there over the years so I think he ended his days pretty well off. A lot shrewder than is image. Would've loved to see that on-field stunt of taking his cap off and a small bird flying out.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 14, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
How about wen  he lit sparklers in  dugout   in Comiskey to make furn of pyrotechnics.  I saw that.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 14, 2017, 09:02:44 PM
How about wen  he lit sparklers in  dugout   in Comiskey to make furn of pyrotechnics.  I saw that.
He def had a unique sense of humor.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 14, 2017, 10:00:19 PM
A Carl Furillo story, he of the dark moods and purported anti-social behavior toward his teammates:

Furillo hated Leo Durocher, going back to when Leo managed the Dodgers. With Leo the Giants manager, Furillo gets beaned by pitcher Sheldon Jones. Later, Jones tells Furillo he was only following Leo's orders. Next time the teams get together, Furillo, at bat, hears Leo yelling to Ruben Gomez to "Stick one in his ear." Gomez hits Furillo in the side. Instead of charging the mound, Carl heads straight into the Giants dugout and starts to choke Leo out. Per witnesses, he might've literally killed Durocher if Monte Irvin hadn't intervened.

Carl evidently rarely spoke to teammates, suffering from a deep inferiority complex due to his lack of education. Tough guy! Rifle arm that no one ran on, hence, the "Reading Rifle." Think he lived out his life as a hard hat construction worker in Pa.

BTW, Irvin stepped on Furillo's hand breaking a finger, ending Carl's season. He was leading the NL in batting at the time (like a month to go) at .344. That .344 turns out to be enough to win the batting title.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 14, 2017, 10:34:39 PM
Heard he  was well liked  at Dodger  adult camps.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 14, 2017, 10:41:16 PM
Recalled a Yankee -Indian  game. Casey  was seen  by me & pop dressed in a  salmon suit  arguing  his  strategy  with  passing fans  ouyside stadium..Imagine that?

Pop commented  as Ford  pitched to Doby--"this guy doesn't  have a chance." Of course  it was a K.

Remember  u  could go  on fields  and run  the bases?  Now they make a big deal  wen kids can do  that.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 15, 2017, 08:34:42 AM
Heard he  was well liked  at Dodger  adult camps.

Maybe he mellowed. Teammates kept their distance. Once beat up his spring training roomie, utility inf Tommy Brown, so badly he had to be hospitalized. All over Brown wanting to finish an article he was reading before turning off the lights (as Carl ordered, so he could go to sleep).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 15, 2017, 04:46:34 PM
Joe-prob so. Remember  unless well liked  did not get invited back.  Prob $4-5K  for a wk  was appreciated by  Carl


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 15, 2017, 05:38:41 PM
Doctor, I'm getting the stuff about Carl from Peter Golenbock's book from the 80s, "Bums." Many great stories about ALL the Dodgers.

Cal Abrams, your Levittown neighbor, told one story about the Happy Felton show. Cal, not being a big star, RARELY was asked on by Happy. One of the two times he was, like all players he was to pick among three participating kids fielding some batted balls which one he (Cal) thought would "make it."  The kid who was selected got to say which Dodger he wanted to meet later in the dugout and see interviewed. Cal got $50 for that.

So, Cal makes a deal with one of the kids before the show begins that Cal would select him over the other two, and in turn, the kid would choose Cal to be interviewed (that was worth another $50 to Cal). Cal upholds his part of the deal then the kid tells Happy, when asked who he wants to meet, "Carl Furillo."



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 15, 2017, 06:25:28 PM
Funny ;D  Remember how it was  Think kid came back next day.   Abrams need $$-- postman during winter.

BTW u mentioned Lopat.  He came to my high  school  for some sort of award  ceremony.  A true SOB ??? ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 15, 2017, 07:41:27 PM
Funny ;D  Remember how it was  Think kid came back next day.   Abrams need $$-- postman during winter.

BTW u mentioned Lopat.  He came to my high  school  for some sort of award  ceremony.  A true SOB ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

Sorry to hear that as I liked Eddie (always liked the guys who seemed to get the very most from limited talent). Eddie couldn't break a pane of glass but was highly effective and clutch. Whereas, Bob Turley who had a rocket arm was wild and never realized his great potential.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 15, 2017, 11:42:46 PM
good way  to  check  on any athlete's character  --how they act  around kids with no media around.



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 15, 2017, 11:45:21 PM
Leo  was  a true SOB --stole  Ruth's  watch. Ruth almost killed him.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 16, 2017, 09:04:14 AM
Think diverticulitis killed him. He always was being hospitalized for bleeding somewhere in the GI system. Stomach ulcers, intestines. Drinking didn't help.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 16, 2017, 04:28:46 PM
Leo or  lopat?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 16, 2017, 09:22:03 PM
Leo or  lopat?

Leo. Actually not sure what cause exact cause of death was listed at the end, but he suffered greatly most of his life from those GI issues. Def a Type A personality.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 16, 2017, 09:49:20 PM
Yes  Hung  out  with  Rat Pack.   Did Ok  with actress Laraine  Day--she had  a pregame show  on WPIX  as I recall.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 16, 2017, 10:16:59 PM
Yes  Hung  out  with  Rat Pack.   Did Ok  with actress Laraine  Day--she had  a pregame show  on WPIX  as I recall.

Laraine, also TV pitchwoman for Westinghouse, Hotpoint, Frigidaire or some other refrigerator manufacturer in the 50s, if I recall. Or was it some other appliance? Odd choice of wife for Leo D because Laraine was a strict Mormon, no drinking, swearing, etc.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 16, 2017, 10:29:42 PM
Altho  still  pretty, her  HWood  career was over, and  she enjoyed  hanging out  with Leo's  friends.

One  great thing  he did--as "Mr Leo  "      he really helped  maybe  saved, Mays  career--Mays was wat 0-22 then took Spahn over  PG  roof  and  he was off.

People  forget--Mays was on deck wen Thomsen  went deeep  in51.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 17, 2017, 08:48:14 AM
In a weird way, with Mays being a rookie, Giants fans might have been happier in their heart of hearts to see Bobby up there in that spot, at that time in their careers.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 18, 2017, 02:39:11 PM
I agree  Joe.

Have u read   he great  book about the spying  from   Polo  grds  clubhouse?   From 2006. Ray Katt  would toss a ball  in the air as signal  to  batter--based on call to Giant bull  pen.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 18, 2017, 03:55:26 PM
I agree  Joe.

Have u read   he great  book about the spying  from   Polo  grds  clubhouse?   From 2006. Ray Katt  would toss a ball  in the air as signal  to  batter--based on call to Giant bull  pen.

Yeah, another reserve Sal Yvars (another catcher i think) spilled the beans. How many decades did that take to finally come out??


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 18, 2017, 11:30:10 PM
Lets see  51  to   96.  Branca   shows his class by never accusing  Thomsen,until  aftrer Thomsen passed.   Of course I  never  Branca  about it,but I believe he was always  suspicious--not sure wen he was  sure.

.

As big as   mental  side of sports,  it ruined Brancas career. As  Yogi  says, "90% of sports is physical ,  the other half is mental."  Don't think Berra was ever nervous. Dropped   A   Williams pop   w/2 out in 9th  (Allie reynolds no   hitter)   Then  he  caught another. 

Someone mentioned  Berra  and Lollar  and Yogi being  kept bec of Yankee stadium. Wat would have happened  if  Joe  played in Fenway  &  Ted in NY?   WOW


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 18, 2017, 11:31:41 PM
Maybe it was another  catcher--  Ivars--- and NOT KATT.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 19, 2017, 09:21:02 AM
Pretty sure it was Yvars.

And, about Branca you are dead on. A class act.

Thomson, except for keeping mum on this HUGE issue, seemed like a decent guy too. From Staten Island and Ralph from Mt Vernon-- two NY guys. Really enjoyed Ralph's book. His brother, if I recall, also had a lot of talent but was injured?? Ralph tried out for Giants as well as Dodgers I think.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 19, 2017, 03:44:28 PM
Ralph was very  big physically  for his time--compared  with  physically  slight  Eskine, Labine,Loes,Bessent, Ford, Haddix, Face    etc.  He was great in 1947  and getting better until 1951.  Then the abyss.

BTW,excellent singing voice  --ended  every  adult camp with  "Memories."  He  really  enjoyed those camps.  They had  2 a year. First  week  of  Nov.,  and  week before spring training in  Feb.   I only went in  Nov,  warmer and  season over.   I heard in Feb  that players were  distracted by getting ready  for spring training.,coaching  jobs  etc.

Some guys  went religiously  twice  a year    for  many yrs.



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 19, 2017, 05:13:38 PM
I've said this before but THANKFULLY Ralph pitched well before sports radio and the internet. Can't imagine the abuse he'd have taken when they came into play.

Even so, he had to be a strong guy mentally as well as physically given the Thomson HR. Look what happened with poor Donnie Moore with the Angels. One strike away but ... that wasn't even a sudden death scenario for the series.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 19, 2017, 05:38:59 PM
Ed Whitson--did n't  he die under  mysterious  circumstances  after  Yankee Stadium and  NYC drove him nuts? ??? ??? ??? ???


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 20, 2017, 04:00:16 PM
Ed Whitson--did n't  he die under  mysterious  circumstances  after  Yankee Stadium and  NYC drove him nuts? ??? ??? ??? ???
Do you think he committed suicide from "being driven crazy by New York City"?  If so, I can identify with that.  I only went to New York once (in 1969), on a planned week stay.  I ended up leaving mid-day the 2nd day, after arriving late afternoon the day before.  It was July, and 102 degrees with 99% humidity, and an inversion had the air thick with smog (even soot).  The day before, we arrived through the Holland Tunnel, on our way to my aunt's & uncle's apartment in Far Rockaway (which shook whenever the EL-train went over-as in the Woody Allen film).  It took us 3 whole hours to cross Manhattan's few streets to get to The Brooklyn Bridge.  People kept crossing the streets, but no cars could go through.  It was gridlock.  Signal after signal went by, with no cars moving.  Even when they did move, only one car could go.  The next morning, we took the subway into Manhattan. I was literally lifted off the pavement by bodies when all the people started shoving, to cross the street.  The person in front towards whom I was smashed, was wearing a ruksak which, apparently, contained his lunch, which was probably going bad because of the terrible heat.  Conditions were so horrible that my friend and I decided to leave, and drive up to Montr?al.  I've been back to New York hundreds of times since then, but never out of the airports


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 20, 2017, 08:17:32 PM
It was reported  NYC  did it.  Robb-u did n't  even have the opportunity  tocatch  some doo  wop   being  sung on the corners. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 20, 2017, 09:45:18 PM
It was reported  NYC  did it.  Robb-u did n't  even have the opportunity  tocatch  some doo  wop   being  sung on the corners. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
No, and I didn't see any fire hydrants opened, or I'd have been right there with the kids!  They used to open them in Chicago during summer heatwaves.  Didn't they do that in N.Y.C.?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 21, 2017, 09:01:02 AM
Weather can heavily skew opinion of a place. First time I ever visited Seattle it was in a driving rain that never let up for two days. Cold and raw too. Next time, 70 degrees and sunny. Big difference in my perception. Hardly the only or most important factor, but ...


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 21, 2017, 11:52:28 AM
Robb,

Sounds to me like you had an idyllic day - perfect!

Yup fire hydrants were frequently opened in NYC.

Also sprinklers in the kiddie pool sections of NYC's all concrete parks.



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 21, 2017, 06:22:44 PM
Let's be perfectly honest here - IT RAINS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR here in Seattle.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 21, 2017, 07:29:22 PM
Let's be perfectly honest here - IT RAINS EVERY DAY OF THE YEAR here in Seattle.
:D :D :D  Being there for a weekend and having all 3 days 70 degrees and sunny was a rare treat. 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 21, 2017, 07:49:38 PM
Glad we could take good care of you Robb


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 21, 2017, 08:36:05 PM
Saw one game in the the old Kingdome (actually, when I saw that game was 1977, the Mariners second season there, so it wasn't old then). They played the Angels who had Nolan Ryan on the mound.

All I recall about the stadium was how DARK it seemed inside the place. Of course, I had nothing to compare it too (still the only "indoor" game I've ever seen).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 21, 2017, 09:07:50 PM
JoeC - many of us fans hated to see the Kingdome go as you always knew what to wear to a game since it was climate controlled inside.  Of course I love SAFECO field now.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 21, 2017, 09:28:23 PM
It was  dark because   it was  a nite game ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 21, 2017, 09:40:31 PM
It was  dark because   it was  a nite game ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

It was a night game!! Hopefully, the lighting got a lot better there and at future domed stadiums over the years. I hope because, day or night, although the field was lighted OK, in the stands it felt like you were in a movie theater. The darkness there created a sleepy mood. Give me a pillow and I'd have gone to sleep. Very much a surreal experience. Was the Kingdome the only other indoor stadium other than the Astrodome back then? Think so.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 21, 2017, 09:54:19 PM
Not sure wen Twins  played  in their dome.  Close to  Seattle--70s  I'm  sure.

Trivia--Who  hit 1st  HR  in Astrodome?  ( no cheating) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 21, 2017, 10:06:49 PM
Not sure wen Twins  played  in their dome.  Close to  Seattle--70s  I'm  sure.

Trivia--Who  hit 1st  HR  in Astrodome?  ( no cheating) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
These questions are about baseball that's too modern for me to have still been a fan!   ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 21, 2017, 10:36:43 PM
Robb-65  too  late?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 21, 2017, 10:53:57 PM
Was it Jim Wynn?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 21, 2017, 11:19:39 PM
Robb-65  too  late?
That was my last year of being a big fan, and following baseball closely.  The Braves moved from Milwaukee, and I started university in L.A.  I paid a lot more attention from 1953-1960.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 22, 2017, 02:56:30 PM
DWD--good guess. Tricky  --- Mickey  Mantle  --obviously  in  a  spring training  exhibition.  Nobody  gets that unless  u have specific knowledge.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 22, 2017, 03:19:54 PM
As you can see I wouldn't guessed "The" Mick.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 22, 2017, 08:13:43 PM
A little  more  modern  for Met fans. I was discussing that terrible  boating  accident  in  Fl  that killed Dodger Tim Crews and another I think. 

Bob Ojeda was  on the boat  and  nearly  killed. That was after he cut off a finger(later  reattached)  trimming his hedge.  How could  a  pitcher  be so  foolish  to use his hands doing  dangerous manual  labor? 

I'm  sure   there's a long list of similar  silly  accidents.

Cecil  Upshaw  catching  ring  when jumping  to the  ceiling   --lost finger   >:( >:( >:( >:(


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on February 22, 2017, 08:39:51 PM
A little  more  modern  for Met fans. I was discussing that terrible  boating  accident  in  Fl  that killed Dodger Tim Crews and another I think. 

Bob Ojeda was  on the boat  and  nearly  killed. That was after he cut off a finger(later  reattached)  trimming his hedge.  How could  a  pitcher  be so  foolish  to use his hands doing  dangerous manual  labor? 

I'm  sure   there's a long list of similar  silly  accidents.

Cecil  Upshaw  catching  ring  when jumping  to the  ceiling   --lost finger   >:( >:( >:( >:(

That happened when Ojeda was with the Indians, right? Crews was driving the boat drunk (passengers Ojeda and Steve Olin were not drunk). Olin was decapitated. 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 23, 2017, 11:23:50 PM
Olin--correct. Indians ?  Didn't know   Ojeda  ever was  on  Cleveland. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: 43doowop on February 25, 2017, 01:27:00 PM

When I was 10 (1953), my brother would take me to see the Jacksonville Braves (SAL). The star was Henry Aaron. He lead the league in batting .362 and in many other stats. Even as a 10 year old, I knew Aaron was going to be quite a star in the majors. I remember the ball park was segregated. Whites had seats in the grandstand and blacks set out in the bleachers. Unfortunately Aaron did not travel with the team and had to find his own housing. He overcame segregation and became one of the greatest ball players of all time.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Doowopdummy on February 25, 2017, 02:21:37 PM

"The Hammer" was quite the player for sure.  Great career except for the death threats as he approached Babe's HR record.  I was bummed when he went to the Brewers, should have retired as a Brave.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on February 25, 2017, 05:45:02 PM

"The Hammer" was quite the player for sure.  Great career except for the death threats as he approached Babe's HR record.  I was bummed when he went to the Brewers, should have retired as a Brave.
If they wanted him to stay, they shouldn't have sold to Bill Bartholomey, who they Knew had plans to move away from Milwaukee.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on February 25, 2017, 06:14:51 PM
Actually,  his last 2 yrs was  as DH.   How many HRs  did he hit as DH?   30?   Imagine how many Ruth  would have if  DH  was around then.   

PS--only league in the world that does not have DH  is  National league. Wonder how long.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 05, 2017, 05:59:52 PM
Any university boasting a more impressive list of baseball alums than Arizona State? Including vaunted USC program. Barry Bonds and Reggie Jackson are centerpieces but numerous All Stars.

    Gary Allenson
    Chris Bando
    Sal Bando
    Eddie Bane
    Alan Bannister
    Floyd Bannister
    Marty Barrett
    Barry Bonds
    Hubie Brooks
    Jacob Cruz
    Alvin Davis
    Ike Davis
    Mike Devereaux
    Chris Duffy
    Jeff Duncan
    Duffy Dyer
    Mike Esposito
    Andre Ethier
    Gary Gentry
    Larry Gura
    Donnie Hill
    Bob Horner
    Darrell Jackson
    Reggie Jackson
    Mike Kelly
    Ian Kinsler
    Jason Kipnis
    Lerrin LaGrow
    Ken Landreaux
    Mike Leake
    Pat Listach
    Paul Lo Duca
    Oddibe McDowell
    Gabe Molina
    Rick Monday
    Paul Moskau
    Dustin Pedroia
    Rick Peters
    Ken Phelps
    Gary Rajsich
    Len Randle
    Andrew Romine
    Kevin Romine
    Sterling Slaughter
    Eric Sogard
    Craig Swan
    Jim Umbarger
    Ed Vande Berg
    Fernando Viña
    Don Wakamatsu
    Antone Williamson
    Bump Wills



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 05, 2017, 06:57:56 PM
Thanx  Joe.  That's  like a  list  of PhDs  from  Harvard.

MANY from SoCal.   Including by friend Monday.   And it helps that @ASU athletes dont attend class,rite? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Len Randle--mental case--remember beat up  manager  Luccchesi?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 05, 2017, 08:34:30 PM
Thanx  Joe.  That's  like a  list  of PhDs  from  Harvard.

MANY from SoCal.   Including by friend Monday.   And it helps that @ASU athletes dont attend class,rite? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Len Randle--mental case--remember beat up  manager  Luccchesi?

If you're ever on the ASU campus, take a look at their student "wellness" center. More like one of the better spas in Palm Springs.

Son was in one of the frats there where that big hoops gambling/point shaving scandal happened in the mid 90s. Wasn't involved as he didn't have the cash his rich brothers from SoCal had. Also hope partly coz he knew better. They used to run bets up to Laughlin regularly.

He knew Paul LoDuca, Jacob Cruz {Giants} and Antone Williamson , a #1 draft pick of the Brewers who never made it. School had an enrollment of like 40,000. Nice golf course on campus too. Baseball facility equivalent to nice AA park.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 05, 2017, 11:50:12 PM
Jee-ty.   Ask son if  Loduca  used  PED   then?   I knew it long before he got busted with METS.  How do u  go  to  age  28  before get to   MLB?

Horner--amazing  -did something  Ruth,Joe, Mantle ,Williams never did. I know u know. ;D ;D ;D




Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 06, 2017, 09:59:31 AM
Jee-ty.   Ask son if  Loduca  used  PED   then?   I knew it long before he got busted with METS.  How do u  go  to  age  28  before get to   MLB?

Horner--amazing  -did something  Ruth,Joe, Mantle ,Williams never did. I know u know. ;D ;D ;D


Horner hit 4 bombs in one game. Think he never played a game in the minors either. Straight from ASU to the Braves lineup.

Horner and LoDuca were from seedy Glendale, on the west side of Phoenix. LoDuca could always rake, big time. Great natural hitter. I'm sure the PEDs helped but his major issue was he had no position. Shoulda been a DH, period.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 06, 2017, 03:01:59 PM
Gagne on mound & Paul  catching him.   Both PED boys.

Don't  recall   much else about Horner.  Hodges and Adcock  too.How the hell  do u  hit 4 HRs in a game.  Amazing.  Either Adcock  or Hodges  also  had a double--18 total  bases--record.
Charlie Maxwell  5 in a double header--think Musial  too.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 06, 2017, 05:33:52 PM
Doctor, for me goes to show how I viewed baseball as a kid and as an adult.

I still recall Adcock's four homer game against Brooklyn but, to be honest, Horner's I sort of noted it and went on without another thought about it.

Adcock's seemed like just a greater accomplishment to me. Can't explain it but I guess being a kid made Adcock more of a hero to me.

BTW, the Sun Devil outfield once had Barry Bonds, Mike Devereaux and Oddibe McDowell in it. Not too shabby for a college team.

 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 06, 2017, 06:53:35 PM
Adcock at Ebbets, rite?   

Poor Devereaux--killed in car  accident.

Did Willie hit 4  in Polo or SF?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 06, 2017, 07:19:28 PM
Adcock at Ebbets, rite?   

Poor Devereaux--killed in car  accident.

Did Willie hit 4  in Polo or SF?
Willie hit his 4 home runs in a game after The Giants moved to San Francisco, as I  remember.  So, it couldn't have happened at The Polo Grounds.  I think it was against The Braves.  So it may have happened at County Stadium.  Can't remember.  But, I remember not being happy about that.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 06, 2017, 08:09:11 PM
Was at County, Robb.

Here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UCXdmzS8LI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UCXdmzS8LI)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 07, 2017, 12:51:22 AM
Maris  -no BB bc Mantle next.

68--why mound down 6 inches and hi Ron Blumberg

Howard--afraid to pitch tohim.

Saw Tatis hit 2 GS  in one  inning-iwas there.  Off Park. I wasone of fewwho  know wat happened "Dodger fans but not  baseballfans."


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 11, 2017, 09:59:09 PM
Doctor, you'll get a chuckle out of this news report. Supposedly, Nationals will invite Eric Gagne to Spring Training after WBC ends {he's pitching for Canada}. Think 8 years is long enough for urine to be clear?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 12, 2017, 02:23:16 AM
Funny--44  now.  He did have a great  change,but  need a heater  for  it to be effective. 

If he makes it--which I strongly  doubt,  Joe, probably  record for  longest  time between quitting and comeback.

His urine is clean now,but he's  got to juice again. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 12, 2017, 09:33:09 AM
Funny--44  now.  He did have a great  change,but  need a heater  for  it to be effective. 

If he makes it--which I strongly  doubt,  Joe, probably  record for  longest  time between quitting and comeback.

His urine is clean now,but he's  got to juice again. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Supposedly, he's throwing 94 mph. But ... those Carribean/Spring Training guns are suspect. I'll know he's clean if he's half his former size. Long shot but Nats are desperate in relief corps.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: soulfuljakazz on March 12, 2017, 10:33:38 AM
The Nats would be better off inviting VERNE Gagne to Spring Training. I'm pretty sure ol' Verne was 'roid free during his reign as AWA champ.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 12, 2017, 02:22:31 PM
Never heard  of Vern but I agree. ;D ;D ;D ;D  The only  guy who  could  hit 94  mph  in his 40s was Nolan Ryan. BTW, worst trade in  BB history--Ryan for Fregosi and Stanton. :'(


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: soulfuljakazz on March 12, 2017, 04:26:04 PM
That Ryan trade was brutal. The Mets have made a few trade blunders over the years (Amos Otis, Ken Singleton & Kevin Mitchell deals immediately come to mind). The Seaver trade hurt me the most as a very young baseball fanatic. They did get half a team in return though. Unfortunately, that 1/2 team was full of extreme mediocrity (Zachry, Henderson, Flynn & Norman).

Here's a little about Verne...
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/sports/verne-gagne-wrestler-who-grappled-through-two-eras-dies-at-89.html?_r=0


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 12, 2017, 05:01:18 PM
Thanx  soulful.   

But the worst  MOVE  ever  (besides Ruth)    was   Portland   TB  drafting  Sam Bowie  ahead  of  Jordan  (and Alajawan)

And Dr Jack Ramsay  never caught much  flak.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: soulfuljakazz on March 12, 2017, 05:56:29 PM
In defense of Sam Bowie (5 words I thought I'd never put together), if he had stayed healthy, he might have made a much bigger impact. As it stands though, it has become a legendary blunder on the part of the Portland Trailblazers.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 12, 2017, 07:19:42 PM
But Bowie  had a bad   history of injuries in college,rite?

MJ  did turn out better  than  initially thot,  but he had  to  share the ball with  Perkins and    Worthy.  He had  a good line:  after he made the winning  shot as freshman against  Georgetown  I  believe--"that's wen   I became Michael  instead of Mike."

Westbrook  is going to average  a triple double--and there are about 25 more  posssessions today  than in Oscar's day.

A joke  --Nowitzki  closing in on  Wilt ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D




Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 13, 2017, 08:34:26 PM
Joe--Next  Dodger camp--Nov  13-19. Coaches will  be  Monday, Torberg,  Russell, Reuss,  Yeager,  Randle  (dont get him angry), Rick Reichardt(I thot he was killed in car accident)  and possibly  Fergie Jenkins.

Got  $5 or 6 K?

BTW,  Reuss put out a 45  price guide--too  many  errors  but  interesting  a guy  from Stl   born about 1960  would do that.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 13, 2017, 09:49:20 PM
Rick Reichardt?? Didn't know he was ever a Dodger. Always think of him as an Angel.

Where do they hold the camp now? Those guys are all too recent for me.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 13, 2017, 11:00:59 PM
Correct--no more  Brooklyn guys.  Randle--from LA,  but not  a Dodger nor was Jenkins.   Torberg  nice guy--caught   Koufax  NO_NO  and I think Bill   Singer.

Camp is  now where  Dodgers/White Sox  train.  Glendale?  Not sure  which Phoenix  Western   suburb.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 18, 2017, 09:57:46 PM
Dr, sure do recall HR Derby. In fact, all the episodes were re-shown on the MLB Network about a year ago.

Where exactly was Wrigley Field? Near the LA Coliseum? I remember the expansion Angels played there in 1961 or 1962. Why didn't the Dodgers instead of the Coliseum? Too small?

Who played at Wrigley before the Dodgers/Angels arrived? The Hollywood Stars had a park in the Fairfax district if I recall Joe D's biography. Maybe LA had two PCL teams? Interesting too that some PCL players made more than they would have in the AL or NL -- veterans who reused "call ups" coz it woulda meant a pay cut. Sorta makes sense if you think about no teams wesr of St Louis and the big Cali cities.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 18, 2017, 10:37:54 PM
Dr, sure do recall HR Derby. In fact, all the episodes were re-shown on the MLB Network about a year ago.

Where exactly was Wrigley Field? Near the LA Coliseum? I remember the expansion Angels played there in 1961 or 1962. Why didn't the Dodgers instead of the Coliseum? Too small?

Who played at Wrigley before the Dodgers/Angels arrived? The Hollywood Stars had a park in the Fairfax district if I recall Joe D's biography. Maybe LA had two PCL teams? Interesting too that some PCL players made more than they would have in the AL or NL -- veterans who reused "call ups" coz it woulda meant a pay cut. Sorta makes sense if you think about no teams west of St Louis and the big Cali cities.

Wrigley Field was located on The Near East Side (SouthEast), at 425 E. 42nd Place.  The Coliseum was on Santa Barbara Avenue (Now, Martin Luther King. Jr. Blvd.) near Vermont Avenue (West).  It's about 4-5 miles west of where Wrigley was, in the heart of South L.A.  Wrigley was near South Central, which was a mixed area, but not all Black Ghetto until the late 1940s.  It was originally an industrial area that housed a lot of factory workers in their own small bungalow cottages.  400 East is near San Pedro Street, a bit west of South Central.  Yes, Wrigley Field only fit 20,400 in 1961 for The A.L. L.A. Angeles.  It had 22,500 at it's largest (smaller seats?) from 1925-1940s.  Yes, L.A. had two P.C.L. Teams.  The Hollywood Stars played in Gilmore Field, near The Pan Pacific Auditorium between West Hollywood and The Fairfax District.  They were mostly a farm team of The Pittsburgh Pirates, while The Angels were owned by The Cubs.  There was a 3rd Wrigley Field on Catalina Island, in Avalon, where The Cubs trained. 

I saw a few games at both Wrigley and Gilmore, while my family was visiting relatives there during the early '50s.  I remember The Angels having a lumbering slugging first baseman, Steve Bilko, who hit tonnes of home runs (he played a few whole seasons with The Cardinals and Cubs).  The Cubs and Pirates were, by far, the worst 2 N.L. teams during the early '50s.
 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 18, 2017, 11:38:16 PM
Reading  Robb  is better than Wiki.

Angels there  only  in 61.   62-66  Dodger Stadium--which they called Chavez  Ravine. Anaheim 67-present.

OMalley  never would have gone to  a park that small.


Steve  Bilko  was best known  Angel--Cub farm  and  many of your  Pirates  from the 50s played  in Gilmore Field--Melrose/ Fairfax--   Hollywood Stars. Where Sinatra,  etc  showed up. 

Wrigley  now a park/ development,   Gilmore  became CBS  studios. BtW, Gilmore  was a local LA  gas  co.

Another reason  to  give Maris 61 an asterisk--terrible Angel pitching--besides Belinsky &  Chance.   Grba  etc. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 19, 2017, 08:59:58 AM
Robb, Been to football games at the LA Coliseum several times and used to recruit students at USC, so I knew where that was.

I recall Bilko. Like Rocky Nelson, a feared Triple AAA slugger who just couldn't make the successful jump to the majors. I guess what is now known as a AAAA player.

Switching to freeways -- first two were the Pasadena Freeway, then the Harbor Freeway. Am I right? What came next? Not a quiz, just wondering how they evolved.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on March 19, 2017, 01:07:37 PM
Bilko's 1960 BB card had a blue border (from the top of my silly head). I had thought hat he once hit 60 dingers in minors but find I was sadly misinformed. In '56, he had 55 Hrs, 164 RBI's and hit .360. "57 was s serious fall-off - 56 Hrs but only 140 RBI's  and an even .300.   In both MLB seasons in which he was more or less a starter, including with the '61 Angels, he hit at least 20 HR's with what today is considered a very respectable B. Avg. - .251 and .279. If he played today and was able to put up the same #s, he'd earn $10M+ per year. Died very young too.   


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 19, 2017, 03:21:32 PM
Robb, Been to football games at the LA Coliseum several times and used to recruit students at USC, so I knew where that was.

I recall Bilko. Like Rocky Nelson, a feared Triple AAA slugger who just couldn't make the successful jump to the majors. I guess what is now known as a AAAA player. 

Switching to freeways -- first two were the Pasadena Freeway, then the Harbor Freeway. Am I right? What came next? Not a quiz, just wondering how they evolved.
Bilko was the regular 1st Baseman of The St. Louis Cardinals in 1953, hitting 23 HR and batting .275.  So, he was a major leaguer for awhile.  And I think he played all of a couple seasons for The Cubs (although he platooned).  But, he was not a good fielder, and not very fast afoot.  And, yes, he spent most of his career in AAA.

The Pasadena Freeway was officially built in 1955, as part of the new Interstate Highway system.  It gets its 1949 starting date from when the old Monterey Road and Arroyo Drive through The Arroyo Seco was connected up and extended into Pasadena, widened to two lanes in each direction and given limited ingress and egress (access) from entrances and exits only (no cross traffic), and was renamed "The Arroyo Parkway".  It was re-named "The Pasadena Freeway" in 1955, to become part of The Interstate Highway System.

If I remember correctly, The San Bernardino and Santa Ana Freeways also started in 1955, along with the start of The Harbor Freeway.  The hollywood Freeway was next, starting in 1957, I believe.  The San Diego Freeway was next, starting in 1960 (construction began in 1958).  I think The Long Beach Freeway and Ventura Freeways also started at that time.  The Santa Monica Freeway was next.  The latter 3 probably and Terminal Island Freeways probably started in 1961-62.  All the rest Pomona, Century (I 105) Marina, San Gabriel River, Barstow (I 15), I 57 Redondo Beach (I 55), Garden Grove (Cal 22), and the other Orange, Riverside, Ventura and San Bernardino Counties' Freeways,


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 19, 2017, 04:09:50 PM
Thanks Robb. I did know Bilko logged time in the majors but not that he'd had at least that one very credible season. Rocky Nelson, who sort of was the Int'l League version of Bilko, also had major league time (1500 AB in 9 seasons). Was on the World Champion Pirates who win it all on the Mazeroski HR. He hit a two run HR in the first inning of Game 7 off Ralph Terry.  Unlike Bilko, Rocky never hit more than 7 HR in a major league season (after winning multiple Int'l League batting titles and HR titles).

I would've guessed the 5 and the 101 would've followed the Pasadena and Harbor but ... you lay it out clearly. Surprised the 405 didn't come even sooner. What were the main routes people took to get from LA and the Valley to Disneyland when it opened in 1955.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 19, 2017, 04:44:27 PM
I would've guessed the 5 and the 101 would've followed the Pasadena and Harbor but ... you lay it out clearly. Surprised the 405 didn't come even sooner. What were the main routes people took to get from LA and the Valley to Disneyland when it opened in 1955.
I went to Disneyland from West L.A. while visiting family there in 1955. It seemed like we took hours and hours to get there. We took  surface streets. I don't really remember. I was 9 years old and didn't live there until 1966. I'd guess we took Sepulveda south to Venice, Venice to Downtown, and got onto the Santa Ana Freeway until it stopped in Downey, and then took Firestone Blvd. southeast through Norwalk. The extension of The Santa Ana Freeway wiped out Firestone Blvd, and at the boundary of Orange County, that street changed back to Manchester Blvd. again.  That went all the way through the county to Downtown Santa Ana. The freeway covered where it had been. So, most of that street is gone now. We would have taken Manchester to Anaheim, and driven the 2 blocks west on Ball Road from there to Disneyland's parking lot. The San Gabriel Valley had a decent population back then, but was only about half filled.  I had an uncle and aunt who had a farm in rural Arcadia, which had horse farms. They had a couple cows and chickens.  I first saw a chicken's head chopped off there and saw the headless body running around.  The San Fernando Valley was almost all farmland at that time.  There was a small town of Burbank, a small town in San Fernando, a village in Pacoima, and tiny villages at crossroads in Reseda, Van Nuys and Canoga Park.  Driving from there to Disneyland was only an issue for a handful of people.  Even west L.A. was a patchwork of farms between newly-built single family residential neighbourhoods.  L.A. wasn't really a large city then.  It was a bunch of hickey villages.
 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 19, 2017, 06:13:28 PM
Checked a Disney history. Some of the highlights:

- Original location was to be next to Disney Studios in Burbank. Land costs sent him to Anaheim.

- Amazingly, the park only took a year to build.

- Only 15 houses had to be bought out or moved.

- The Santa Ana Freeway was partially completed (at least the the part running by the park apparently).

- Opening Day in 1955 was 110 degrees, with no drinking fountains operational. Asphalt never set or re-melted, customers shoes got stuck or ruined.



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 19, 2017, 06:25:00 PM
Hollywood  FWY  not originally  part  of Interstate  system.  Why  its  US  101.   

Many of the  FWS  were  originally  CA  state  roads.  So  the  Pasadena-Harbor  was 11, Long Beach  was 7--later became  110, and 710.  There are stillmany FWYS  w/state numbers only--91, 55, 57, 22  etc. 

I live near  the 23,  and 118-Reagan

Interesting  how numbering works--N-S   odd,  E-W even numbers.  Lower  #  in South--10--get higher as go   north--40, 80,90etc.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 19, 2017, 07:39:36 PM
The Harbor Freeway always reminds me of San Pedro. Anyone recall the 50s TV show Waterfront, starring Preston Foster, circa 1954-55? He was captain of a tugboat operating out of Pedro, encountering various criminals around the harbor. Sorta Highway Patrol, but on the water. Same production quality.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 19, 2017, 07:49:22 PM
Hollywood  FWY  not originally  part  of Interstate  system.  Why  its  US  101.   

Many of the  FWS  were  originally  CA  state  roads.  So  the  Pasadena-Harbor  was 11, Long Beach  was 7--later became  110, and 710.  There are stillmany FWYS  w/state numbers only--91, 55, 57, 22  etc. 

I live near  the 23,  and 118-Reagan

Interesting  how numbering works--N-S   odd,  E-W even numbers.  Lower  #  in South--10--get higher as go   north--40, 80,90etc.
The Interstate numbers are the reverse of the old US Highway system numbers, which start with low numbers in the north for E-W roads, and high numbers in the South.  And the Interstates start with the teens in the west, when the US Highways started with 10s in The East.

I've never heard of I 23.  I barely know I 118.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 19, 2017, 07:51:15 PM
The Harbor Freeway always reminds me of San Pedro. Anyone recall the 50s TV show Waterfront, starring Preston Foster, circa 1954-55? He was captain of a tugboat operating out of Pedro, encountering various criminals around the harbor. Sorta Highway Patrol, but on the water. Same production quality.
They didn't show that in Canada, and I never saw it listed on re-runs in USA.  Was it ever rerun?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 19, 2017, 08:01:20 PM
The Harbor Freeway always reminds me of San Pedro. Anyone recall the 50s TV show Waterfront, starring Preston Foster, circa 1954-55? He was captain of a tugboat operating out of Pedro, encountering various criminals around the harbor. Sorta Highway Patrol, but on the water. Same production quality.
They didn't show that in Canada, and I never saw it listed on re-runs in USA.  Was it ever rerun?

Robb,

Unlike Broderick Crawford's Highway Patrol., don't think it was.

From TV.com: "This syndicated drama centered on tugboat captain John Herrick, his family, and life aboard the "Cheryl Ann". Cap'n John piloted the tug around San Pedro Harbor (filmed in Los Angeles Harbor), and was constantly running into smugglers, convicts and ne'er-do-wells of all types." 

Wonder still about the Americanization of the pronunciation of San Pedro. Pronouncing it Pee-dro instread of Pay-dro. 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 19, 2017, 08:21:53 PM
The Harbor Freeway always reminds me of San Pedro. Anyone recall the 50s TV show Waterfront, starring Preston Foster, circa 1954-55? He was captain of a tugboat operating out of Pedro, encountering various criminals around the harbor. Sorta Highway Patrol, but on the water. Same production quality.
They didn't show that in Canada, and I never saw it listed on re-runs in USA.  Was it ever rerun?

Robb,

Unlike Broderick Crawford's Highway Patrol., don't think it was.

From TV.com: "This syndicated drama centered on tugboat captain John Herrick, his family, and life aboard the "Cheryl Ann". Cap'n John piloted the tug around San Pedro Harbor (filmed in Los Angeles Harbor), and was constantly running into smugglers, convicts and ne'er-do-wells of all types." 

Wonder still about the Americanization of the pronunciation of San Pedro. Pronouncing it Pee-dro instread of Pay-dro. 

They don't pronounce ANY Spanish place names correctly (Lohss Anckhelees, Saahn Fraanseeesko, Saahn Hoassaaay) so why should you expect them to pronounce San Pedro correctly???  The Anglos don't pronounce any of the thousands of Dutch, French, German, Norwegian, Swedish, Danish, Russian, Czech, nor any of the thousands of Native American nor Inuit place names in USA correctly.  Nor do the majority of Anglos in Canada (shudder).  99% of Anglos in USA absolutely cannot make many of the sounds in most of those languages.  But, although the inhabitants of those countries do better with other languages than most Americans, many of them mispronounce English place names, or have their own name for the foreign place names.  So, we shouldn't be so hard on the "language-lazy" Amerikaners.   :D 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 19, 2017, 08:42:08 PM
Just find the Peedro pronunciation more strange and egregious than the rest you listed. Brits were FAR worse than Americans in their Anglicizing of foreign words, especially food and place names. For example, tack-o for taco. (Worse still, they anglicized the actual food's taste as well.) Cally for Calais. Benny-dorm for Benidorm. And so forth. Guess everyone does it!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 19, 2017, 11:12:59 PM
Joe--Terry  only  pitched  9th  inning  in  7th   game rite?  who  did Nelson  homer  off then?  Ditmar?

Remember  Dick  "Stone hands " Stuart--he did have 66 HR  in I think  Nebraska  somewhere.(Lincoln?)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 19, 2017, 11:16:21 PM
Robb-118--Reagan fwy--goes west  from  405  to  Ventura

23--  15-20  yrs old  too.  Goes  north  from 101  in  Thousand Oaks  to   Simi  Valley  continuing  to  Fillmore.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 20, 2017, 08:43:46 AM
Joe--Terry  only  pitched  9th  inning  in  7th   game rite?  who  did Nelson  homer  off then?  Ditmar?

Remember  Dick  "Stone hands " Stuart--he did have 66 HR  in I think  Nebraska  somewhere.(Lincoln?)

Yah, don't know what I was thinking there. It was off "Bullet Bob" Turley. Yankee fans will recall the first inning was always Turley's worst. Never had any control to start a game. Nelson was Stuart's backup in 1960.

Another guy who hit prodigious HRs in the minors was Dave Nicholson. Am sure Robb will recall him with the CWS in the early 60s. Had 22 in 1963 per the record book but seemed like he struck out every other time he came to the plate. Never able to cut down on the K's.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on March 20, 2017, 11:26:02 AM
Robb, Been to football games at the LA Coliseum several times and used to recruit students at USC, so I knew where that was.

I recall Bilko. Like Rocky Nelson, a feared Triple AAA slugger who just couldn't make the successful jump to the majors. I guess what is now known as a AAAA player. 

Switching to freeways -- first two were the Pasadena Freeway, then the Harbor Freeway. Am I right? What came next? Not a quiz, just wondering how they evolved.
Bilko was the regular 1st Baseman of The St. Louis Cardinals in 1953, hitting 23 HR and batting .275.  So, he was a major leaguer for awhile.  And I think he played all of a couple seasons for The Cubs (although he platooned).  But, he was not a good fielder, and not very fast afoot.  And, yes, he spent most of his career in AAA.

The Pasadena Freeway was officially built in 1955, as part of the new Interstate Highway system.  It gets its 1949 starting date from when the old Monterey Road and Arroyo Drive through The Arroyo Seco was connected up and extended into Pasadena, widened to two lanes in each direction and given limited ingress and egress (access) from entrances and exits only (no cross traffic), and was renamed "The Arroyo Parkway".  It was re-named "The Pasadena Freeway" in 1955, to become part of The Interstate Highway System.

If I remember correctly, The San Bernardino and Santa Ana Freeways also started in 1955, along with the start of The Harbor Freeway.  The hollywood Freeway was next, starting in 1957, I believe.  The San Diego Freeway was next, starting in 1960 (construction began in 1958).  I think The Long Beach Freeway and Ventura Freeways also started at that time.  The Santa Monica Freeway was next.  The latter 3 probably and Terminal Island Freeways probably started in 1961-62.  All the rest Pomona, Century (I 105) Marina, San Gabriel River, Barstow (I 15), I 57 Redondo Beach (I 55), Garden Grove (Cal 22), and the other Orange, Riverside, Ventura and San Bernardino Counties' Freeways,

A knit but Bilko hit .251 in '53 his only full year as starter in MLB, .279 as a more or less starter for '61 Angels..


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 20, 2017, 06:24:45 PM
Pop--Philly  fan told me  about "Swish"   Nicholson. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Robb-not I  18 &  I 23--Ca  highways  just 118 & 23.

Joe's son lives near both.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 20, 2017, 06:55:59 PM
Pop--Philly  fan told me  about "Swish"   Nicholson. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Robb-not I  18 &  I 23--Ca  highways  just 118 & 23.

Joe's son lives near both.

Wonder if Swish and Dave were related?

You're right, Doctor. Son lives in Westlake Village, two or three short exits just east of the 23. I've never had occasion to take that freeway. Seems we're always traveling back and forth on the 101, or going over the mountains on the 9 to Zuma/Malibu.






Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on March 20, 2017, 07:10:54 PM
Robb, Been to football games at the LA Coliseum several times and used to recruit students at USC, so I knew where that was.

I recall Bilko. Like Rocky Nelson, a feared Triple AAA slugger who just couldn't make the successful jump to the majors. I guess what is now known as a AAAA player. 

Switching to freeways -- first two were the Pasadena Freeway, then the Harbor Freeway. Am I right? What came next? Not a quiz, just wondering how they evolved.
Bilko was the regular 1st Baseman of The St. Louis Cardinals in 1953, hitting 23 HR and batting .275.  So, he was a major leaguer for awhile.  And I think he played all of a couple seasons for The Cubs (although he platooned).  But, he was not a good fielder, and not very fast afoot.  And, yes, he spent most of his career in AAA.

The Pasadena Freeway was officially built in 1955, as part of the new Interstate Highway system.  It gets its 1949 starting date from when the old Monterey Road and Arroyo Drive through The Arroyo Seco was connected up and extended into Pasadena, widened to two lanes in each direction and given limited ingress and egress (access) from entrances and exits only (no cross traffic), and was renamed "The Arroyo Parkway".  It was re-named "The Pasadena Freeway" in 1955, to become part of The Interstate Highway System.

If I remember correctly, The San Bernardino and Santa Ana Freeways also started in 1955, along with the start of The Harbor Freeway.  The hollywood Freeway was next, starting in 1957, I believe.  The San Diego Freeway was next, starting in 1960 (construction began in 1958).  I think The Long Beach Freeway and Ventura Freeways also started at that time.  The Santa Monica Freeway was next.  The latter 3 probably and Terminal Island Freeways probably started in 1961-62.  All the rest Pomona, Century (I 105) Marina, San Gabriel River, Barstow (I 15), I 57 Redondo Beach (I 55), Garden Grove (Cal 22), and the other Orange, Riverside, Ventura and San Bernardino Counties' Freeways,

A knit but Bilko hit .251 in '53 his only full year as starter in MLB, .279 as a more or less starter for '61 Angels..

Yes. I got his '53 average mixed up with his '61 average.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 20, 2017, 10:28:17 PM
Joe--what is the 9?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 21, 2017, 08:01:55 AM
Joe--what is the 9?

Maybe I have the nomenclature wrong. Actually, appears it is technically County Hwy N9.

Picking a random starting point of Westlake Village Blvd & Agoura Road, you'd go east on Agoura Rd to make a right on Kanan Rd. That puts you on the N9 headed toward Point Dume (over the coastal range). You could veer left at a point on the N9 to take Malibu Canyon Rd down to the PCH in Malibu if you wanted. So, basically runs between Westlake and the PCH. Know it by another name?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 29, 2017, 12:57:15 PM
This article by Ben Nuckols of the AP will tug at some heart strings I think. I know it did mine.

" On Monday, the Dodgers will play their first opening day since 1950 without Vin Scully calling their games. He won't be in the stands. He won't make a point of watching on TV, either. He's learned that after a lifetime in the broadcast booth, watching a game as a fan holds little appeal.

"During the World Series back around '77 or '78, there was a game at Dodger Stadium with the Yankees, and I went to the game as a spectator. Now, I hadn't been as a spectator in a long, long time, and I felt somewhat restless that I wasn't broadcasting," Scully recalled Tuesday.

"I did not have the challenge of trying to describe, accurately and quickly, the way it should be done. I just sat there, and I was not happy, I'll be honest. So I realized that although I love the game, what I loved more was broadcasting it," he said.

Scully spoke to the AP because the Library of Congress has announced it will preserve his call of a 1957 game between the Dodgers and the New York Giants at the Polo Grounds, the final time they played at the hallowed old stadium. Both teams moved to California after that season, opening up the West Coast to Major League Baseball.

Scully's call of Sandy Koufax's 1965 perfect game is more famous. But that game at the Polo Grounds meant more to him personally, because he grew up going to games there, cheering for the Giants and dreaming of watching from the press box.

"It was so meaningful to me. I'm not sure what it really means to baseball fans anymore," Scully said. "The sands of time have washed over the Polo Grounds. But for me, it was one of the more memorable games I was ever involved in."

During that broadcast, Scully implored the players to take their time before there franchises left town: "Let's take it easy, we just want to take one last lingering look at both of you."

"All summer long, I expect to get feelings of nostalgia, wistfulness, whatever the word may be, but no, I am comfortable, I do know in my heart and soul I am where I should be, and that really is all I need," he said.

"Sure, after 67 years, you'll bet I'll miss it," he added. "But heck, I miss the guys I hung out with when I was in school."


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 29, 2017, 07:23:43 PM
Restless being a spectator?    In LA,  he did fiirst and last 3,  Doggett middle 3.  (For 1st 25 yrs)  Then were changes.   But he spectated  3 innings a nite for yrs.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 29, 2017, 07:42:56 PM
Doctor, I imagine in the early LA days, the broadcasters switched back and forth between radio/TV. At some point, don't recall when, pretty much all teams hired separate broadcast teams. Was harder in older days. Had to do commercials too; no replay.

Think Vince lives in Hidden Hills now. How long he's been there I don't know. From there, you'd think he'd need a helicopter to pick him up and drop him off. A limo with driver still would've faced a bad commute? Maybe he had a place closer to downtown to stay over in.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 29, 2017, 10:48:31 PM
He has  adriver  now.   He lived  next  to stallone  in Pac Pal.   Rocky  sued him over  some sprinkler  nonsense.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 30, 2017, 09:04:55 AM
He has  adriver  now.   He lived  next  to stallone  in Pac Pal.   Rocky  sued him over  some sprinkler  nonsense.

Long commute from the Palisades too. He does apparently live in Hidden Hills now. Wonder when/why he moved? Gated community aspect?

If I had his money (although maybe he's not as wealthy as I think), I'd live in Bel Air, Holmby or Bev Hills.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 30, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
Joe   people  dont call a road by N-9.  etc.   Scully lived  from  58 to  prob 90s in Palisades on Capri Dr.   Then moved briefly  to lake Sherwood  near Westlake then to  HHils.

Wen Dodgers were 1st in LA--NO  home games  on TV,  only  9 -11/   yr in SF.

   Then  in late 70s,  all SF  and only Sun away games  on TV.   Then he did all 9, 6 TV, 3 radio. 

Later on cable  NO  home games on, ALL  away  games on. Added  3rd announcer  then--Ross Porter  --sports  guy from KNBC.  Not sure what happened after Doggett died-think  added  Drysdale.

Now cable--ALL  games on TV --like all  teams.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on March 30, 2017, 05:06:14 PM
Joe   people  dont call a road by N-9.  etc.   Scully lived  from  58 to  prob 90s in Palisades on Capri Dr.   Then moved briefly  to lake Sherwood  near Westlake then to  HHils.

Wen Dodgers were 1st in LA--NO  home games  on TV,  only  9 -11/   yr in SF.

   Then  in late 70s,  all SF  and only Sun away games  on TV.   Then he did all 9, 6 TV, 3 radio. 

Later on cable  NO  home games on, ALL  away  games on. Added  3rd announcer  then--Ross Porter  --sports  guy from KNBC.  Not sure what happened after Doggett died-think  added  Drysdale.

Now cable--ALL  games on TV --like all  teams.

Wow, on the lack of TV in LA compared to the coverage they left in B'klyn. Were they afraid they wouldn't draw?

So ... what exactly DO they call that road from Agoura/Westlake over the mountains to the PCH in Point Dume? I only put the N-9 thing coz that's how it's shown on MapQuest. Didn't know how else to describe. It's dangerous as hell if you drive it on a sunny day just before sunset (several places you come around a turn and are totally blinded!




Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on March 30, 2017, 07:25:47 PM
Kanan  Dune  rd.

O'Malley  was afraid TV  would  hurt  tix sales.   Recall--  NO  water fountains wen Dodger Stadium  opened in 1962.  He  was criticized  so  he was forced to  put  fountains in.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 02, 2017, 01:17:49 PM
For Dodger fans.  Just  read--no I didn't  know--  most of us only heard of  one Dodger  who hit  a HR  in  1st game.    Only  6  have  done it.    Last one  was  in 1990.

Any  guesses--hint--Dominican! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 07, 2017, 07:23:03 PM
Doctor, you never told us who the player was (the Dominican).



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 07, 2017, 07:25:48 PM
Fom the Durocher quote I posted in the Expressions thread Doctor started, about the origin of "nice guys finish last," Durocher referenced Eddie Stanky as being called "The Brat" and the "Mobile Muskrat." Anyone ever hear that second nickname. I sure never did. Brat, sure!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 07, 2017, 07:30:07 PM
Fom the Durocher quote I posted in the Expressions thread Doctor started, about the origin of "nice guys finish last," Durocher referenced Eddie Stanky as being called "The Brat" and "The Mobile Muskrat." Anyone ever hear that second nickname. I sure never did. Brat, sure!

Wow!  I'm glad they didn't call my favourite player, Hank Aaron, that.  HE was also from Mobile.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 07, 2017, 08:30:05 PM
Mobile was quite the place for producing great baseball players. In addition to HoF Hank, it produced HoF Billy Williams, HoF Ozzie Smith, HoF Williie McCovey, and a couple pretty good OFs in Cleon Jones and Amos Otis.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 08, 2017, 12:47:46 AM
Sorry  Joe.  Of all people--JOSE OFFERMAN.  Not  Reiser,  Campy,  Snider,  Hodges, Howard  etc etc. Weird -like  Horners 4 HRs.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 08, 2017, 12:50:09 AM
Doubt that  Stanky  nickname.   Too much revisionism  in sports.  Eg, James  Worthy  was  NEVER  big game James--but all announcers  say it now.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 08, 2017, 11:15:00 AM
Doubt that  Stanky  nickname.   Too much revisionism  in sports.  Eg, James  Worthy  was  NEVER  big game James--but all announcers  say it now.

I agree.  I would have heard that name if he had been called that by a lot of announcers and sportswriters, or fans I knew.  He may have been dubbed that by a 2nd tier sportswriter somewhere on The East Coast, whose writing never got anywhere where I was, but that nickname couldn't have been used by many people or I'd have heard it.  Stanky was still playing when I became a fan.  I'd have heard that name if it were widespread and commonly used.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 08, 2017, 12:04:59 PM
Well  said Robb


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 08, 2017, 01:53:52 PM
Stanky was an underrated hitter. A lifetime average of .268 but he almost always walked more than 100x a season. He'd have had a great OBP if they kept that stat back then. Known for the "delayed steal," too.

Traded by the Dodgers after one year playing with Jackie Robinson. Trade was to allow Jackie to move from 1B to his more natural 2B position (which was Stanky's best position too).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 08, 2017, 02:56:37 PM
Stanky was an underrated hitter. A lifetime average of .268 but he almost always walked more than 100x a season. He'd have had a great OBP if they kept that stat back then. Known for the "delayed steal," too.

Traded by the Dodgers after one year playing with Jackie Robinson. Trade was to allow Jackie to move from 1B to his more natural 2B position (which was Stanky's best position too).


And that trade didn't bring The Dodgers a player they could use, and helped The Braves win the pennant that season, replacing The Dodgers!   :D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 08, 2017, 03:04:22 PM
How does a weak hitter  get so many walks?  Remember 3rd  Baseman    Eddie Yost?  The walking man.



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 08, 2017, 03:07:23 PM
Who was The  Natural based  on?   A Phillie,  I believe,  shot  by a stalking  fan. :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 08, 2017, 03:20:49 PM
How does a weak hitter  get so many walks?  Remember 3rd  Baseman    Eddie Yost?  The walking man.
Both Stanky and Yost had really good eyes.  And, they'd both have had significantly better batting averages if they'd not let all the close pitches that were balls. go by.  But, they'd rather take the sure 1 base, than give the fielders a chance to get them out, just for a small chance to get 2 bases on a double.

Stanky wasn't a weak hitter.  He hit .320 in the year after the Dodgers traded him, helping Boston win The pennant, and hit .300 for The Giants in 1950.  Pretty good for a middle infielder..  Yost was a decent hitter, but not a lot of power, and not high averages, so not so great for a 3rd baseman.  But he was a very good fielder, with a league-leading on-base %, and lots of runs scored, so, he was a good asset to a team.  


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 08, 2017, 03:37:39 PM
Who was The  Natural based  on?   A Phillie,  I believe,  shot  by a stalking  fan. :'( :'( :'( :'(
Eddie Waitkus was a Phillie who was shot by a fan.  But, I find it hard to believe that "The Natural" was inspired by Waitkus' life story, as he was black-haired Lithuanian, who was not really a power hitter.  And, from what i remember of the film, Robert Redford was a blond, second coming of Babe Ruth.  Waitkus was tall, lanky and fast, but a punchy singles and doubles hitter., NOT a power hitter.  I know that film producers and script writers like to bend the truth to make the story more interesting, but it's easier, in this case, to say that only the fan shooting from Waitkus' story was used as a similar element in "The Natural".  Waitkus was NOT a phenom whose notoriety sprung out of nowhere, overnight.  He took a long time to become a regular with The Cubs.  Scouts and fans of The Cubs' system knew about him for a long time, and he had several years owned by The Cubs before he became a regular, due to missing 1942-45 in The military.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 08, 2017, 06:12:42 PM
Good  reasoning Robb. But I  believe  the general  plot  was  from the Waitkus  situation.

On the other hand,did  Andy  Warhol play  BB? ;D ;D ;D :D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 08, 2017, 08:22:28 PM
Eddie Yost graduated from NYU -- in the days when college grads in the majors were rare as the proverbial hen's teeth.

The guys who hit for good averages with the old Senators were really good hitters as they had little or no "protection" around them as Yankees and Dodger hitters did. Guys like Yost, Pete Runnels and Roy Sievers (who just died).




Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 09, 2017, 03:10:56 AM
Eddie Yost graduated from NYU -- in the days when college grads in the majors were rare as the proverbial hen's teeth.
The guys who hit for good averages with the old Senators were really good hitters as they had little or no "protection" around them as Yankees and Dodger hitters did. Guys like Yost, Pete Runnels and Roy Sievers (who just died).
Poor Roy Sievers, who played for The lowly St. Louis Browns, an wished to be traded to a better team, and got his wish, - traded to The Senators!  :o  Luckily, he played a couple years wit The White Sox near the end of his career.  He was actually rookie of The Year with The Browns in 1949, batting .306.  I had the bad luck of being a fan of The Browns, as I had a cousin who had signed with them out of college, and played for their San Antonio Southern Association AA team during the late 1940s to about 1951.  The Yankees probably had 3 minor league teams that each would have beaten The Browns in a series, straight up!   :'(


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 09, 2017, 08:26:29 AM
When I think of the Browns in their last 5-6 years, I think of Ned Garver -- great pitcher on a dreadful team. And, of course, Bill Veeck and Eddie Gaedel.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 09, 2017, 11:33:18 AM
When I think of the Browns in their last 5-6 years, I think of Ned Garver -- great pitcher on a dreadful team. And, of course, Bill Veeck and Eddie Gaedel.
It was like a revolving door.  They had several good players, like Virgil Trucks, Bob Turley, Don Larson, Tommy Byrne, Vic Wertz, Bob Nieman, Roy Sievers, Clint Courtney, Billy Hunter, Hank Edwards, Vern Stephens (even during his elderly 2nd stay with The Browns he was still a good player), Johnny Groth, Sherm Lollar, Marty Marion, Jim Rivera, Bob Elliott, Duane Pilette, Stubby Overmire, Satchel Paige, Bob Cain, Bobby Young, Ray Coleman, Johnny Berardino, Don Lenhardt, Cass Michaels, Al Zarilla, Les Moss, Harry Brecheen, Dick Littlefield, Al Zarilla, Dick Kryhoski, Dick Kokos. 

They just never had enough good players at the same time, to compete with any teams but the hapless Philadelphia A's.  They always had lousy fielding, which made their lousy pitching even worse.  At least The A's got good again in 1947-49, and 1952 with Alex Kellner, Ferris Fain, Barney McCosky and Bobby Shantz.  The Browns were terrible from 1930 to their end, in 1953, except during the war years.  :'(


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 09, 2017, 11:51:36 AM
Nice list of very good Browns players. Most, not all, made their marks wiith other teams though.

Couple other A's I always liked were SS Eddie Joost and OF Gus Zernial. Shantz won 24 and the MVP in '52. Gave the Yanks some good years too. Great little lefty (5'6 tall). Best fielding pitcher of his era.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 09, 2017, 12:02:25 PM
Nice list of very good Browns players. Most, not all, made their marks wiith other teams though.

Couple other A's I always liked were SS Eddie Joost and OF Gus Zernial. Shantz won 24 and the MVP in '52. Gave the Yanks some good years too. Great little lefty (5'6 tall). Best fielding pitcher of his era.
Who could forget Ozark Ike?  He started with my White Sox.  Yes, Eddie Joost (pronounced like "Yost" in Dutch - he'd be a 2nd Eddie Yost, at the same time!  ;D), was a super fielder - like a vacuum cleaner.  He walked a lot, too.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2017, 12:41:25 PM
No cheating!  Who walked  Gaedel?   And  who ran for Eddie?  Sure you guys know. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Sievers ended up in Philly--in  64  I  saw  him  in Shibe  Pk.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 09, 2017, 02:24:48 PM
No cheating!  Who walked  Gaedel?   And  who ran for Eddie?  Sure you guys know. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Sievers ended up in Philly--in  64  I  saw  him  in Shibe  Pk.
I used to know that.  But I didn't listen to the game, as I was probably at a Cub game, if they were home, or, listening to a Cub game on the radio if they were away.  Was it Johnny Lipon who ran for him?  Or Willy Miranda?  I don't remember who they were playing.  Was it The White Sox?  I don't think Veek would have wasted that gimmick on a Yankee game, as they were the biggest draw by far.  He should have done it when The A's were in town, and should have announced a day ahead that: "Tomorrow, The Browns will reveal their new secret weapon!"  Then, people would have come to the game to see if Veek bought a cannon, and was going to blast the opposing team's players!   :D :D :D 

I'll be angry when I read the answers to these questions.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 09, 2017, 02:25:51 PM
Who pitched a no hitter in his first major league start (appearance)?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2017, 03:02:31 PM
Bob  Cain -pitcher sure  of that.

Jim Delsing -- runner--pretty  sure.



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2017, 03:05:39 PM
David  Clyde?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2017, 03:07:01 PM
Had Delsing  card  so must have been Detroit--unless he  was traded.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 09, 2017, 04:08:03 PM
Had Delsing  card  so must have been Detroit--unless he was traded.

He was traded from The Browns to Detroit in August 1952 in the big Ned Garver for Vic Wertz trade.  The Gaedel game was second game of a double header with The tigers in Sept. 1951.  Bob Cain was then on The Tigers, and Jim Delsing was still with The Browns before the big trade to Detroit in 1952.  Detroit finished a strong 2nd to The Yankees in 1950, when several of their players had career years.  By late 1951 their team was in the dumpster, and in 1952, they traded off most of their veterans (George Kell, Vic Wertz, Virgil Trucks, Johnny Groth, et al).  They even passed The Browns on their way to the bottom!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2017, 06:18:47 PM
Delsing on Browns--he was  the runner. And I had his Tiger  card.  Now makes  sense.

Maybe  no hitter  was  Walter Johnson or Mathewson.   Not  Feller  or Koufax. Prob some unusual  guy.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 09, 2017, 07:19:22 PM
Delsing on Browns--he was  the runner. And I had his Tiger  card.  Now makes  sense.

Maybe  no hitter  was  Walter Johnson or Mathewson.   Not  Feller  or Koufax. Prob some unusual  guy.

He WASN'T a Hall of Famer.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2017, 10:37:23 PM
Why I  said  Clyde--and an unusual guy--  Russ  Kemmerer,  George Zuverink, Bob Porterfield,Duke Maas?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 10, 2017, 12:21:14 AM
Who hit a home run in his first MLB at bat, but never hit another in a 20+ year MLB career?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 10, 2017, 12:33:01 AM
Gus Zernial had that famous baseball card (can't remember the exact year) where he's holding a bat surrounded by something like 6 baseballs that appear around the bat but detached as though they were in some form of suspended animation. Had some good years as the proverbial slow-footed slugger type. Think he went so spring training with the '60 Dodgers before getting cut and exiting MLB stage left. 

Larsen went 3 and 21 one year for the transplanted SL Browns of Baltimore. THAT's not easy to do!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 10, 2017, 01:05:38 AM
Why I  said  Clyde--and an unusual guy--  Russ  Kemmerer,  George Zuverink, Bob Porterfield,Duke Maas?

None of those.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 10, 2017, 07:27:11 AM
Tough question. I believe Lindy McDaniel (maybe pitching for Cards??) and Don Ferrarese of the Orioles (against the NYY in Yankee Stadium) took no-hitters into the 9th in their debuts but ... failed to get it done. Think Ferrarese only had one out to get. Billy Martin, I think, got the hit.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bluesnrhythm on April 10, 2017, 10:59:25 AM
Tough question. I believe Lindy McDaniel (maybe pitching for Cards??) and Don Ferrarese of the Orioles (against the NYY in Yankee Stadium) took no-hitters into the 9th in their debuts but ... failed to get it done. Think Ferrarese only had one out to get. Billy Martin, I think, got the hit.

Funny you said Lindy McDamiel. I thought it might have been his younger brother, Von McDaniel, who made a big splash when he broke in and wasn't really heard from much thereafter.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 10, 2017, 11:32:22 AM
Tough question. I believe Lindy McDaniel (maybe pitching for Cards??) and Don Ferrarese of the Orioles (against the NYY in Yankee Stadium) took no-hitters into the 9th in their debuts but ... failed to get it done. Think Ferrarese only had one out to get. Billy Martin, I think, got the hit.

Funny you said Lindy McDamiel. I thought it might have been his younger brother, Von McDaniel, who made a big splash when he broke in and wasn't really heard from much thereafter.
This is too tough for anyone but a St. Louis Browns' fan.  It was a Brownie in the early 1950s.   ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 10, 2017, 11:43:28 AM
Tough question. I believe Lindy McDaniel (maybe pitching for Cards??) and Don Ferrarese of the Orioles (against the NYY in Yankee Stadium) took no-hitters into the 9th in their debuts but ... failed to get it done. Think Ferrarese only had one out to get. Billy Martin, I think, got the hit.

Funny you said Lindy McDamiel. I thought it might have been his younger brother, Von McDaniel, who made a big splash when he broke in and wasn't really heard from much thereafter.

Now that you mention it, I think you are correct about it being Von.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 10, 2017, 01:14:44 PM
Karl spooner?  no but close.  HR  in 1st at bat--Hoyt  Wilhelm?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 10, 2017, 01:50:09 PM
It was a St. Louis Browns' pitcher in 1953.  Most of you followed that season.  No one remembers???  :-[


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 10, 2017, 01:59:01 PM
It was a St. Louis Browns' pitcher in 1953.  Most of you followed that season.  No one remembers???  :-[

Well, now that you narrowed it down, I'll guess Bob Turley. He and Larsen were the "kids" on that staff.

Even if I'm guessing right, I don't remember it. My excuse is I was living in Karlsruhe and Hochst, Germany from 1951-54.  No AFN radio back then or, if there was, we didn't get it. Don't recall a newspaper in our house either.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 10, 2017, 03:18:24 PM
Turley--never  pitched  no-no.  Out of guesses. ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 10, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
Turley--never  pitched  no-no.  Out of guesses. ;D ;D

Nobody remembers the young phenom, Bobo Holloman???  He never pitched another good game in The Majors.  He only played in 1953, and ended up with an ERA of over 5!  He actually had 2 more hits in that game than his opponents - he went 2 for 3 as a batter!!!

No other major league pitcher since 1900 pitched a no-hitter in his first start.  2 pitchers did it in 1892:  Ted Breitenstein (of The St. Louis Browns - one of the best pitchers of his time), and Bumpus Jones.  But, before 1900,  pitching was very different, and records are not really comparable to today's game.  In 1893, the mound was moved back 10 feet.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 10, 2017, 04:19:05 PM
I remember him, but not well at all. Just one of hundreds of ballplayer names from the 50s.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 10, 2017, 04:27:54 PM
I remember him, but not well at all. Just one of hundreds of ballplayer names from the 50s.

You don't remember how much publicity his feat got?  It's not every day that a completely unknown rookie pitches a no-hitter in his first ML start.  Of course, the hitters figured him out quickly.  He was a "junkball pitcher".  He only struck out 3 in his no-hitter.  He went 3-7 with a 5.23 ERA by the end of the season.  His contract was sold to a minor league team halfway through the season.  he was already forgotten by August the same season.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 10, 2017, 04:31:48 PM
Think I had his 53  BB card. 

Satchel's  from 53 is nice--Browns.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 10, 2017, 07:10:49 PM
I remember him, but not well at all. Just one of hundreds of ballplayer names from the 50s.

You don't remember how much publicity his feat got?  It's not every day that a completely unknown rookie pitches a no-hitter in his first ML start.  Of course, the hitters figured him out quickly.  He was a "junkball pitcher".  He only struck out 3 o=in his no-hitter.  He went 3-7 with a 5.23 ERA by the end of the season.  His contract was sold to a minor league team halfway through the season.  he was already forgotten by August the same season.

Like I said, I was living in Germany with no access to stateside goings on. I'm sure it did get a lot of play given how unique it was.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 11, 2017, 12:43:11 PM
Karl spooner?  no but close.  HR  in 1st at bat--Hoyt  Wilhelm?

Bong bong bong! You got it! Hoyt Wilhelm it was. And what a career he had. 29 year old rookie who made it into the Hall Of Fame. People remember him mostly as a knuckle-balling reliever, which he was, but he also threw a complete game no hitter against the Yankees. And pitched in MLB until the age of 49 - got too hard to field bunts.   


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 11, 2017, 12:47:12 PM
Saw on TV the no- no v Yankees.   Wen he was on Orioles  I recall, around  58..  And I did NOT  cheat.   Trivia  is only fun if  u  try to  go  in your  memory  recesses.

Not even sure how I knew that. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 11, 2017, 04:24:24 PM
Wilhelm never started a game for the NY Giants, if I recall. Was in the Orioles starting rotation for many years. Threw a lot of complete games. Maybe my memory is betraying me but I had the same feeling when Hoyt relieved that I had with Mariano or Gossage or whomever. 99% of the time --- game over! He was money.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 11, 2017, 07:18:48 PM
His no no against  Yanks  was 58?

Joe-A guy just asked me if I had heard of Steve Olin. Thanx to u I said yes.  Killed in Fl accident with Crews.

Olin dated his cousin! ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 11, 2017, 07:34:36 PM
Murray Chass's reporting on Olin's death. That's one helluva long dock to extend out into a lake! Crews was legally drunk. Ojeda attributed his survival to being slouched down in his seat. He never pitched effectively again; retired the next year.

"Steve Olin, the Cleveland Indians' No. 1 relief pitcher, was killed and two teammates, Bob Ojeda and Tim Crews, were seriously injured tonight when their fishing boat struck a dock on a lake about 25 miles west of Orlando.

Susan Mock, a dispatcher in the Lake County sheriff's office, said initial reports were that all three had suffered head injuries when the boat struck the dock and literally went under it. Mock said the dock stretches about 250 feet onto Little Lake Nellie. The accident occurred after dark, shortly before 7:30 P.M.

Olin, 27, was pronounced dead at the scene."


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 12, 2017, 12:51:12 AM
Thanx Joe.  The  fellow I talked  to  was  a collector--said he had a lot of Olin's autographed  cards.  Thanx to his cousin.  Never know who you are going to meet.

That's  why I always ask  married  women,  black  especially,  their  maiden names.   Amazing in their large  population how many blacks are related-- met  Oscar Gamble's  cousin,  Dwight Gooden's cousin (And  Sheffield's  ?). 

Met a black guy from  Indiana--last name Pryor.  Asked  him if related to Richard or Aaron. Said both--they of course are cousins.

Met black guy named Pinkett  from Baltimore--yep related to Jada.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 12, 2017, 01:36:36 AM
Thanx Joe.  The  fellow I talked  to  was  a collector--said he had a lot of Olin's autographed  cards.  Thanx to his cousin.  Never know who you are going to meet.

That's  why I always ask  married  women,  black  especially,  their  maiden names.   Amazing in their large  population how many blacks are related-- met  Oscar Gamble's  cousin,  Dwight Gooden's cousin (And  Sheffield's  ?). 

Met a black guy from  Indiana--last name Pryor.  Asked  him if related to Richard or Aaron. Said both--they of course are cousins.

Met black guy named Pinkett  from Baltimore--yep related to Jada.

I lived in a communal house in the San Mateo (CA) Ghetto, and one of my housemates was Alan Page's aunt (mother's sister).  It's a small World.  You know the saying "All Humans are within only 6 degrees of separation."  My uncle was the right-hand-man of Israeli UN Ambassador and former Premier of Israel, Abba Eban.  I've met Gordie Howe, Mary Wells, Nobel Prize Winner for Chemistry, Linus Pauling (though I'd rather have met Lowman and Clarence Pauling), and I've met tribal members of The Dinka tribe in Southern Sudan.  So, those tribal members are only 2 degrees away from those famous Western people.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 12, 2017, 11:52:42 AM
His no no against  Yanks  was 58?

Joe-A guy just asked me if I had heard of Steve Olin. Thanx to u I said yes.  Killed in Fl accident with Crews.

Olin dated his cousin! ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yup - '58 for Hoyt's no-no. A fine hurler he was.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 12, 2017, 12:11:45 PM
I lived in a communal house in the San Mateo (CA) Ghetto, and one of my housemates was Alan Page's aunt (mother's sister).  It's a small World.  You know the saying "All Humans are within only 6 degrees of separation."  My uncle was the right-hand-man of Israeli UN Ambassador and former Premier of Israel, Abba Eban.  I've met Gordie Howe, Mary Wells, Nobel Prize Winner for Chemistry, Linus Pauling (though I'd rather have met Lowman and Clarence Pauling), and I've met tribal members of The Dinka tribe in Southern Sudan.  So, those tribal members are only 2 degrees away from those famous Western people.
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To be Abba Eban's nephew is impressive! Nobody noteworthy in my family. My reasonably extensive genealogical research turned up no politicians, professional athletes, entertainers, etc. Most disappointingly, no murderers or criminals  ;D Not a one.

I've had brief (very brief) personal encounters with Little Richard, Bill Bradley, Screaming Jay Hawkins, Julius Erving, Mike Wallace (60 Minutes), Mel Allen,  NYC Mayor Robert Wagner, RFK, George "Sparky" Anderson (probably a few more I can't recall just now). To be honest, none of the interactions were of any real significance, though.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 12, 2017, 12:17:04 PM
Having put on  60+ doo wop shows  and been to hundreds--don't  have  enough ink in my cartridge. ;D ;D ;D ;D Also--Fantasy camp in Vero--met hundreds of Dodgers--Brooklyn & LA. 

A few were memorable--mention some later.





Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 12, 2017, 02:18:04 PM
I lived in a communal house in the San Mateo (CA) Ghetto, and one of my housemates was Alan Page's aunt (mother's sister).  It's a small World.  You know the saying "All Humans are within only 6 degrees of separation."  My uncle was the right-hand-man of Israeli UN Ambassador and former Premier of Israel, Abba Eban.  I've met Gordie Howe, Mary Wells, Nobel Prize Winner for Chemistry, Linus Pauling (though I'd rather have met Lowman and Clarence Pauling), and I've met tribal members of The Dinka tribe in Southern Sudan.  So, those tribal members are only 2 degrees away from those famous Western people.

To be Abba Eban's nephew is impressive! Nobody noteworthy in my family. My reasonably extensive genealogical research turned up no politicians, professional athletes, entertainers, etc. Most disappointingly, no murderers or criminals  ;D Not a one.

I've had brief (very brief) personal encounters with Little Richard, Bill Bradley, Screaming Jay Hawkins, Julius Erving, Mike Wallace (60 Minutes), Mel Allen,  NYC Mayor Robert Wagner, RFK, George "Sparky" Anderson (probably a few more I can't recall just now). To be honest, none of the interactions were of any real significance, though.
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I'm NOT Abba Eban's nephew.  I'm no relation to him.  I wrote that I'm the nephew of his "right-hand-man" (assistant).  I DID meet Mr. Eban.  My family members of distinction are not nearly as lofty.  I'm a cousin of comedian David Steinberg, I had a distant cousin who was a member of Parliament in Great Britain during the 1950s, my great uncle, who was one of the pioneers of oral surgery in the 1920s, was very friendly with the 1950s (Jewish) Mayor of Dublin (Mayor Briscoe).  My first cousin played 2nd string SS for The St. Louis Browns' AA team in San Antonio (big deal!).  No extraordinary people.  I, myself, have dined with The Mayor of Amman, Jordan, and The US, Canadian and Dutch Ambassadors to The Sudan, Egypt and Jordan (but, so did all us Westerners working in those countries).  I sign autographs in comic book and animation fairs and shows in Europe.  But, I make a meagre living.  So, I wouldn't count myself as a "celebrity".


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 12, 2017, 05:13:01 PM
Robb, David Steinberg! Around the turn of the decade (60s to 70s), he was very a hot commodity on TV. Most thought he'd be a big star, like say a David Letterman. Has had a decent career but not quite what was once forecast.

Do you, or anyone else, recall the mid-week variety show he hosted circa 1969 where he emcee'd, told jokes and introduced 3-4 rock music acts? Think it only ran that one season. Not to be confused with his eponymous sitcom on CBS that ran, starting in 1972.

Think the show I'm recalling was on ABC, when they were experimenting with 45 minute shows to "get the jump" on the other networks who were still operating with prime time shows starting at the top of the hour.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 12, 2017, 05:25:09 PM
Robb, David Steinberg! Around the turn of the decade (60s to 70s), he was very a hot commodity on TV. Most thought he'd be a big star, like say a David Letterman. Has had a decent career but not quite what was once forecast.

Do you, or anyone else, recall the mid-week variety show he hosted circa 1969 where he emcee'd, told jokes and introduced 3-4 rock music acts? Think it only ran that one season. Not to be confused with his eponymous sitcom on CBS that ran, starting in 1972.

Think the show I'm recalling was on ABC, when they were experimenting with 45 minute shows to "get the jump" on the other networks who were still operating with prime time shows starting at the top of the hour.
I remember him having a show on ABC.  I think I watched it  a couple times.  But, I didn't like it all that much.  To be honest, I didn't think he was all that good.  He wasn't naturally funny like Johnathan Winters, Richard Pryor or Groucho Marx (who was both very clever and naturally funny).  David was smart, and wrote some good material for himself, like Gabe Kaplan.  But that "young, fresh material type" got old when they couldn't continue to come up with new very funny material.  They had the funny characters and stories taken from their own lives, but when that got used up, they could bring up new material of the same quality.

I did like David's psychiatrist sketch.  But that got old, too.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 12, 2017, 10:55:31 PM
Joe--just heard  a great  bit of Dodger  trivia--watching  Cub-LA game.  What  did our LI  neighbor  pitcher  Pete Richert  do in 1962  for LA  that  was record setting?



An near impossible  question--but  give it a try. I  would not have gotten it.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 13, 2017, 12:28:32 AM

I'm NOT Abba Eban's nephew.  I'm no relation to him.  I wrote that I'm the nephew of his "right-hand-man" (assistant).  I DID meet Mr. Eban.  My family members of distinction are not nearly as lofty.  I'm a cousin of comedian David Steinberg, I had a distant cousin who was a member of Parliament in Great Britain during the 1950s, my great uncle, who was one of the pioneers of oral surgery in the 1920s, was very friendly with the 1950s (Jewish) Mayor of Dublin (Mayor Briscoe).  My first cousin played 2nd string SS for The St. Louis Browns' AA team in San Antonio (big deal!).  No extraordinary people.  I, myself, have dined with The Mayor of Amman, Jordan, and The US, Canadian and Dutch Ambassadors to The Sudan, Egypt and Jordan (but, so did all us Westerners working in those countries).  I sign autographs in comic book and animation fairs and shows in Europe.  But, I make a meagre living.  So, I wouldn't count myself as a "celebrity".
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Sorry for my speed reading error. I've dined with the deputy mayor of Venice, Italy. And I had an uncle whose brother allegedly loaned money to a fellow bank teller in Vienna so that his buddy could take acting lessons - Peter Lorre. That's about it for family fame and fortune.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 13, 2017, 12:45:04 AM
My brother  SWEARS  we  are   related  to Trump.   ;D ;D ;D

Small  town in  Scotland--grandmoms/great grandmoms   are  named  Mary McCleod. My bro  says has to  be because tiny Scottish town where all are  related.

Maybe just  going to Univ of Penn  is enough. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 13, 2017, 08:24:51 AM
Joe--just heard  a great  bit of Dodger  trivia--watching  Cub-LA game.  What  did our LI  neighbor  pitcher  Pete Richert  do in 1962  for LA  that  was record setting?

An near impossible  question--but  give it a try. I  would not have gotten it.

That one's too deep for me. I really only started following Pete in depth when I moved to DC in 1966. Last of his two seasons with the Senators. He won 14 games as their ace. I know Floral Park is technically on LI but when I think of it, I think Queens (which I know is also technically LI). You know what I mean though, I'm sure.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 13, 2017, 12:16:39 PM
Joe--right  Floral  Pk--but we did play them in hoops. 

Richert--only  pitcher in BB  history  to  strike out 1st  6 batters faced.  Tis is record still.  (per Dodger announcers)  Then what happened? ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 13, 2017, 12:57:35 PM
Joe--right  Floral  Pk--but we did play them in hoops. 

Richert--only  pitcher in BB  history  to  strike out 1st  6 batters faced.  Tis is record still.  (per Dodger announcers)  Then what happened? ;D ;D ;D ;D

Well, he won 15 for the Senators in 1965 and 14 in 1966.  Good ERA too. That's probably equivalent to winning 20 for the Dodgers. Those were his peak years.

Looked up his lifetime record -- 80-73 with a 3.19 ERA. Played 12 years in the majors (back to the Dodgers in the early 70s as a reliever).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 13, 2017, 02:04:36 PM
Correct Joe  -ended up in LA.   Another  Hornerism --you'd figure Score, Feller, Koufax,Ryan,  etc to do  that.

Weird that would even be  recorded somewhere-but BB  is stat crazy I know.



Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 13, 2017, 03:53:47 PM
Correct Joe  -ended up in LA.   Another  Hornerism --you'd figure Score, Feller, Koufax,Ryan,  etc to do  that.

Weird that would even be  recorded somewhere-but BB  is stat crazy I know.


Checked his stats. He was more of a strikeout pitcher than we both apparently might've thought. In 1962, his rookie year in LA when he did this, he struck out 75 in 81 innings. Not bad. In 1966, with the Senators, he K'd 195 in 245 innings. So, he WAS a strikeout pitcher.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 15, 2017, 02:47:43 PM
I plated against  Chris Coletta, Hicksville High--he had a tiny stint with Angels  in 60s-70s?. 

Played in hoops too.  Just moved differently than the rest of us mortals. Went by me as Chick Hearn  would  say  "Like my shoes were nailed to the floor."


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 15, 2017, 06:05:33 PM
Joe-Centennial  in Compton produced many  baseball players.  Reggie Smith, Wayne Simpson  and several others.

These days  the Valley schools are tops in baseball.   

Seems like Orange County has produced a helluva lot of good baseball players too over the years. The Boone bros, Gary Carter, the LaRoches, the Sherrys, Jeff Kent, Lenny Dykstra, the Keoughs, Dan Quisenberry, Nolan Arenado, Mark Grace, Shawn Green, Chris Tillman, Randy Jones, and seemingly endless others. Between OC and the Valley, they're keeping MLB stocked!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 15, 2017, 09:17:58 PM
Sherrys went to  Fairfax  in LA tho.

Joe--name  most famous batboy  (and  why)  to appear on BB card. Funny ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 16, 2017, 09:00:36 AM
Don't know answer though recall hearing of at least one batboy (maybe more) who went on to become ML player(s).


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 16, 2017, 01:26:07 PM
Leonard Garcia--1669--mistakenly  on Aurelio Rodriguez  card. 

Only  other  BB solo--not in  team  pix  was Eddie Bennett  of 27 Yanks.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 18, 2017, 04:20:24 PM
What do Dustin Ackley,  Matt Hobgood,  and Matt Puke have in common?

(Hint--21 others could also be on the list) ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 18, 2017, 04:21:07 PM
Matt Purke--  correction


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 18, 2017, 05:08:55 PM
1969--incorrect baseball card.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 19, 2017, 11:15:19 PM
Those  3 unknowns  plus  21 others--some good--were drafted ahead of NJ  boy Mike Trout.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 20, 2017, 07:50:38 AM
Lotta teams regretting not taking Trout! Only one of those players I remembered was Dustin Ackley who led the nation in hitting at the University of North Carolina. Didn't translate to big leagues where he's logged a number of years but a long way from any memorable ones.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 20, 2017, 12:53:39 PM
Not all  bad--Strasburg #1,  Pollock  CF  for Dbacks--but most were busts.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 22, 2017, 06:16:46 PM
Speaking of the Angels, maybe someone with an LA background can clear this up.

Obviously, with the Dodgers arrival from Brooklyn, the two PCL teams (LA and Hollywood) were no longer viable to operate. One moved to Salt Lake City, the other to Spokane.

O'Malley and Phil Wrigley apparently sorted out the LA Angels "rights" situation (I guess the stadium and land it sat on).  Apparently, nothing similar happened with Hollywood. So, my understanding is that although the team was sold and moved, the failure of O'Malley to take some final action with Hollywood eventually opened the door to the Angels American League expansion team a couple years later.

Didn't really make sense to me. Was was written as if O'Malley had screwed up somehow. His only "regret" about the move.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 22, 2017, 07:26:58 PM
Speaking of the Angels, maybe someone with an LA background can clear this up.

Obviously, with the Dodgers arrival from Brooklyn, the two PCL teams (LA and Hollywood) were no longer viable to operate. One moved to Salt Lake City, the other to Spokane.

O'Malley and Phil Wrigley apparently sorted out the LA Angels "rights" situation (I guess the stadium and land it sat on).  Apparently, nothing similar happened with Hollywood. So, my understanding is that although the team was sold and moved, the failure of O'Malley to take some final action with Hollywood eventually opened the door to the Angels American League expansion team a couple years later.

Didn't really make sense to me. Was was written as if O'Malley had screwed up somehow. His only "regret" about the move.
"The failure of O'Malley to take some final action with Hollywood eventually opened the door to the Angels American League expansion team a couple years later."  This also makes no sense to me.  Neither Wrigley Field, nor Gilmore Field were up to Major League standards.  And Major league franchises moving to minor league cities didn't have to buy out the minor league rights, as far as I know.  Did O'Malley give money to The L.A. Angels for buying their area rights, but NOT buy the rights from The Hollywood Stars.  So, The Hollywood Stars owners, after moving to another state, kept their minor league rights, and later sold them to The AL when they proposed expansion???  And, if O'Malley had bought Hollywood's rights, too, he could have denied The AL the opportunity to expand into The L.A. Area?  That makes no sense at all.  A metropolitan area (3rd largest in USA couldn't have 2 teams because minor league area rights weren't bought out???  A minor league owner could hold a giant metropolitan area (City) hostage, denying them a chance to have a second major league baseball team?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 22, 2017, 08:35:58 PM
I was  in LI  in 58.   Gilmore Field  became  CBS television  City  or some such thing--Beverly/Fairfax.

Dont think  he screwed up--NY and  Chi  still have  2 teams. In  58  Philly  did  too,  and the  Browns &  Braves  had recently left   Boston  & StL.

Think  it was always  planned  that Angels would  be near Disneyland.  Took until  66. 

The Dodgers and Angel  fans so different.   LA fans  drunks, fite etc. Killed a couple fans.(Nearly)

Angel  fans like  they  are in church.

IMO, O'malley  is the only  guy  who could have gotten away  with  playing in the joke of Coliseum  for 4 yrs.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 22, 2017, 08:39:28 PM
Found the book I'm recalling. Sorta interesting but still baffling to me.

Paraphrasing and quoting from Peter Golenbock's book, "Bums" :

Before moving the Dodgers to LA, O'Malley had to do two things -- (1) he had to buy the rights to the LA area (then owned by the Chicago Cubs who had a PCL team there), and (2) he had to get another owner to move West with him (for travel/rivalry purposes).

(Apparently) in the mid-50s the Cubs held their Spring training on Catalina Island and one Spring the grounds were not in shape. Phil Wrigley vowed he would not being the team back there. He called LA "a bush town" and swore he was done with the place as soon as he could rid himself of his PCL franchise.

O'Malley heard about this and "conned" Wrigley into taking -- in a straight swap -- the Dodgers Ft. Worth franchise in the Texas League for the Angels. O'M had bought Ft. Worth in 1947 for $75,000 and basically got (Wrigley Field) and the square city block in LA it sat on in return.

"O'M only made one mistake. To get LA all to himself, he should have also bought the Hollywood Stars franchise, which the California Angels ultimately bought. But O'M could not have been that farsighted. He wasn't thinking of competition in the LA market, he had real concerns that the Dodgers would succeed themselves."

That ends the content from the book.

I still don't get it. If the Stars were sold and moved prior to 1958, what "rights" remained in Hollywood. Gilmore Field? Other than that .... what did the expansion Angels "buy"?  Also, obviously, MLB teams did "own" territories that did not have MLB teams. In this case, the Cubs owned LA, the NY Giants "owned" the Twin Cities, etc. More recently, when the Montreal Expos became the Washington Nationals, the Baltimore Orioles owner "got paid" as the O's "owned" the Washington/Northern VA "territory."





Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 22, 2017, 10:11:54 PM
Not 50s Joe--20s.

LA  was  bush in the late 60s--much worse in 50s.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

If O'Malley    owned  Wrigley Field, why did he let  Angels play  there?  (61)

Then they rented Dodger St  and  called it Chavez Ravine.

Oh now I recall-OM  traded Wrigley  To  city  of LA  for Chavez  Ravine  in  58-59?   Then LA  rented it to Angels (&HR  DERBY)   .Later--early 60s  62-63--tore  down--now  park.  -Before I lived here.

Robb prob knows.
Of course  his drunk buddy Horace  was in SF.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 23, 2017, 01:34:33 AM
Not 50s Joe--20s.

LA  was  bush in the late 60s--much worse in 50s.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

If O'Malley    owned  Wrigley Field, why did he let  Angels play  there?  (61)

Then they rented Dodger St  and  called it Chavez Ravine.

Oh now I recall-OM  traded Wrigley  To  city  of LA  for Chavez  Ravine  in  58-59?   Then LA  rented it to Angels (&HR  DERBY)   .Later--early 60s  62-63--tore  down--now  park.  -Before I lived here.

Robb prob knows.
Of course  his drunk buddy Horace  was in SF.


I've never drunk with horace Stoneham!  I've never even met the man!   ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2017, 09:07:00 AM
Not 50s Joe--20s.

LA  was  bush in the late 60s--much worse in 50s.    ;D ;D ;D ;D

If O'Malley    owned  Wrigley Field, why did he let  Angels play  there?  (61)

Then they rented Dodger St  and  called it Chavez Ravine.

Oh now I recall-OM  traded Wrigley  To  city  of LA  for Chavez  Ravine  in  58-59?   Then LA  rented it to Angels (&HR  DERBY)   .Later--early 60s  62-63--tore  down--now  park.  -Before I lived here.

Robb prob knows.
Of course  his drunk buddy Horace  was in SF.

Cubs trained on Catalina 1921-41, took a break during WWII, then returned from 1946-51. So, 1951 Spring Training was apparently what made Wrigley say what he did. After '51, they trained in Long Beach for awhile before settling in to Mesa, Az.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 23, 2017, 12:32:33 PM
In '58, Philly had one MLB team not two. A's off to KC about 3-4 years prior to '58 -"official" farm team of the NY Yankees.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 23, 2017, 12:59:02 PM
In '58, Philly had one MLB team not two. A's off to KC about 3-4 years prior to '58 -"official" farm team of the NY Yankees.

The Braves moved from Boston to Milwaukee just before the 1953 season.  The Brownies moved from St. Louis to Baltimore after 1953, for the 1954 season.  The A's moved after the 1954 season.  Their first year in K.C. was 1955.  Yes, their owing of millions of dollars to purchase the major league area rights from The Yankees, whose main AAA farm team had been there, chained The K.C. Athletics to The Yankees, in a farm club relationship, as they were beholden to them, in order to erase that debt.  Each one-sided trade (in The yanks' Favour) of new great talent that The Yankees coveted involved nominal additional cash (forgiving portions of that debt).  These trade kept the talent level of The A's players so low that even after the debt was repaid, The A's still acted as The Yank's farm club, trading of their best talented prospects for quantity of decent players, to better fill out their roster.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 02:18:23 PM
But--my fave 1st  baseman Vic Power (I know, wrong color)  went  to KC  from Yanks.

But 99.9%  of deals  were  good for NY.

Thanx for  correction on A's.   Why is,or was ,their logo a white elephant?   I do  not know the answer.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2017, 02:45:25 PM
Were the Milwaukee Braves the first major league team to have a bona fide parking lot for hundreds of cars? All teams had some limited parking but the Braves attendance explosion (much of it attributed to ease of parking) on moving to Milwaukee really opened a lot of owners' eyes.

Interesting that the current trend is to build stadium back in "downtowns" where parking is again limited.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2017, 02:49:30 PM
But--my fave 1st  baseman Vic Power (I know, wrong color)  went  to KC  from Yanks.

But 99.9%  of deals  were  good for NY.

Thanx for  correction on A's.   Why is,or was ,their logo a white elephant?   I do  not know the answer.

Who'd NYY get from KC? Off top of my head: Hector Lopez, Clete Boyer, Suitcase Simpson, Roger Maris, Bobby Shantz.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 03:00:22 PM
Bob Cerv comes  to  mind


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 03:07:58 PM
Found there's  a  book about  this.

Checking --found  Terry, and Slaughter  came back  to Yanks, plus Ditmar.

They also  dumped a  lot of over the hill   guys--Lumpe, Larsen etc.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 23, 2017, 03:30:26 PM
But--my fave 1st  baseman Vic Power (I know, wrong color)  went  to KC  from Yanks.

But 99.9%  of deals  were  good for NY.

Thanx for  correction on A's.   Why is,or was ,their logo a white elephant?   I do  not know the answer.

Who'd NYY get from KC? Off top of my head: Hector Lopez, Clete Boyer, Suitcase Simpson, Roger Maris, Bobby Shantz.
The Yanks also got Ryne Duren, Ralph Terry, Bob Cerv, Art Ditmar, and others.

The A's were still in Philadelphia for a year and a half (1953) when they received Vic Power (and several others) from The Yanks, for aging 1st baseman, slugger, Eddie Robinson.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 23, 2017, 04:19:34 PM
Power never played for the parent Yankees (in the regular season/post-season at least).

As for A's traded to Yanks during the "farm" years, are we need forgetting the immortal Kent Hadley (rare pink '60 baseball card) and Joe DeMaestri (semi-rare light yellow '60 baseball card bottom)?

Don't laugh, De Maestri got a key hit as PH in the Yank's memorable come from behind victory in my first in-person game in 1960. Ditmar had a double in the rally too! I recall he was considered a good-hitting pitcher.

What about  Zeke Bella (reverse flow from NY to KC)?   


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2017, 04:22:12 PM
Bob Cerv comes  to  mind

Thought he went the other way but ... maybe he came to NY from KC, then returned later in his career.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2017, 04:23:11 PM
Found there's  a  book about  this.

Checking --found  Terry, and Slaughter  came back  to Yanks, plus Ditmar.

They also  dumped a  lot of over the hill   guys--Lumpe, Larsen etc.

Plus, Billy Martin was exiled there after the Copa incident, right?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 04:33:23 PM
Along  with Bauer and?   3rd Copa  fiter? Forget.  Joe Collins?

I  have all  Powers cards.Never  seen  a  Phila A  card-- --too late in yr.  I know  never played for Yanks.  Like Roberto  never for Dodgers -but they  lost him.

Kent Hadley  had a  nice stroke--i n   the days when u could watch BP--hit a lot into  Right field stands.

20  yrs ago today saw Tatis  hit 2  GS  in one inning off Park. Tough to  beat that. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on April 23, 2017, 05:20:17 PM
Bob Cerv comes  to  mind

Thought he went the other way but ... maybe he came to NY from KC, then returned later in his career.
Cerv went back and forth, twice.  he Yanks asked for players to be returned to them when they needed them.  Notice there were no trades of any consequence between The Yankees and KC A's after 1960.  So, I think The A's had paid their debt to The Yankees some time during 1960.   Their owners were not masochists, nor secretly on The Yankee payroll.  They sold their team's soul, so they could operate a major league team in that city.  Without The Yankees "selling" them the major league area rights, AND loaning them a bunch of money, they couldn't have operated a franchise there.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 06:03:11 PM
I looked it up.  2 weeks later   Yanks traded  Martin,Terry, Woodie  Held(he was good), and  Bob Martyn(?)    for  Duren, Jim Pisoni, and Simpson.  Guess  Bauer went later.  Bauer BTW had a great  57  series  against the Braves--so not sure wen he went to KC.

Ford,Mantle, Kucks, and Yogi   were at the Copa too.  were  fined  $1000 each. :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 06:04:46 PM
Should be 58 series.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2017, 07:08:03 PM
Still the only WS game I've ever seen in person is Game 2 of the 1957 WS at Yankee Stadium. Burdette vs Shantz.  4-2 win for the Braves. HRs by Johnny Logan and Hank Bauer (both in the 3rd inning). First of 3 wins by Burdette in that Series.

Doubt I'll see another. Had just turned 14. Freshman in HS.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 07:37:05 PM
My  1st  was  game 3 --58--Larsen over  Rush 4-0.   Bauer  2 Hrs.

My next  was 2nd  game  1988--nite after Gibson's  HR.  Hershiser  beat  (Forget)--6-0 or 6-1.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2017, 07:53:51 PM
My  1st  was  game 3 --58--Larsen over  Rush 4-0.   Bauer  2 Hrs.

My next  was 2nd  game  1988--nite after Gibson's  HR.  Hershiser  beat  (Forget)--6-0 or 6-1.

So you've seen twice as many WS games as me. And in two different ballparks.

I looked up the attendance at the '57 game I was at. It was roughly 65,500. Game 1 had drawn 69,000+. Yankee Stadium capacity in 1957 sat around 67,000. So, they let in an extra 2000 people for SRO for Game 1 and "my" game had 1500 empty seats. Game 6 and 7 at YS only drew 61,500 so there were 5500 empty seats for the final two games. Interesting! Guess the fans had become jaded.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2017, 11:04:56 PM
I was in the bleachers in  58--about $5.  In 88 better seats  above Scully--about  $125  each.

Oh oh--Just remembered   also--1st game  of 2002  WS.  Figured  it could not be beaten only tied--Angels -SF--Giants won.Bonds HR  off Percival.

Dont ask what I paid--me and wife  20  rows back of  Giant dugout. 

Only Angel  series of course.  Many were  Like  69  Mets--half  team had career yrs.  & playoffs--beat Yanks.

Unknowns like Spezio, Gill etc etc.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 24, 2017, 08:16:43 AM
Had many chances to see Orioles in the WS since I've lived in Maryland since 1966 (when they swept LA, 4-0). They never (maybe I should say rarely) sold out WS games but ... wasn't an O's fan and Memorial Stadium was in the north central part of the city which wasn't easy to get to for people living south of town.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 24, 2017, 11:52:32 AM
The 66 WS was the beginning of Dodger  collapse.  Stunk until  back to WS  in  74, 77,78,81.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 24, 2017, 01:11:52 PM
The 66 WS was the beginning of Dodger  collapse.  Stunk until  back to WS  in  74, 77,78,81.

Orioles were heavy underdogs in that 1966 WS. Dave McNally beat Drysdale 1-0 in Game 4 of the sweep on a Frank Robby HR. Willie Davis killed the Dodgers; went 1-16.

That was F Robinson's Triple Crown year. How crazy was it that Yaz did it again the very next year. What're the odds?  Robinson won the batting title at .316 but did have like 48HR and over 120 RBI. The pitchers were definitely starting to dominate, culminating in the 1968 season.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 24, 2017, 07:34:13 PM
Dont  forget Willies errors  in CF.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 24, 2017, 08:23:11 PM
As I remember that 4th and deciding game of that '66 WS, I recall (because I was out in the Chesapeake Bay on a powerboat) that it was a Sunday afternoon. No more day games these days! That game musta started at 10:30 or 11 am PDT and have been over by 2 pm in LA.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on April 24, 2017, 08:36:21 PM
I was  in Phiily--at U of P. in 1966.

You  get used to  time change---took  forever to  get used  to 10AM  Sunday  NFL.   5&6  Pm starts  were a problem--but  video   recorders came along in 75.

DVRs  of course are great.

Scully  was  so big in  Dodger early  days  bc  of so many Eastern and  Central  time  Dodger  AWAY  games.   Games used to start at  8PM. So LA commuters  could  listen to Scully at 5PM   thousandsof   times  M-F    driving home  from  work.

Now many away games  are in the West--SD,SF, Az,CO  etc.

Even for Vin,timing   was everything.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on April 30, 2017, 04:42:52 PM
Anthony Rendon, Nationals 3B, went 6-6, 3 HR and 10 RBI in 23-5 win over Mets. Those offensive marks only reached once before -- Walker Cooper in 1949. Missed a 4th HR by maybe a foot (high off the walll). What you call a good day at the plate!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on June 04, 2017, 07:06:35 PM
Jimmy Piersall, 87, died yesterday. RIP. "Fear Strikes Out."


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on June 04, 2017, 08:24:25 PM
Bipolar.Great  fielder.  Perkins played him in Fear Strikes  Out.

Remember  when  hit 100th  HR  for  Mets--62  or 63--ran  around bases backwards. 

 


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on June 05, 2017, 12:47:52 PM
Bipolar.Great  fielder.  Perkins played him in Fear Strikes  Out.

Remember  when  hit 100th  HR  for  Mets--62  or 63--ran  around bases backwards. 


Doctor, I admire Tony Perkins as an actor but ... Piersall was ticked off Perkins was cast. He had absolutely ZERO athleticism and didn't know a baseball from a hockey puck. He didn't know how to throw a baseball, stand in the batters' box, swing a bat, etc.

Also, heard Bob Ryan of Boston Globe say Piersall is one of maybe 2-3 players to catch a ball BEHIND the three monuments that stood in CF In the old Yankee Stadium outfield. As Mel Allen would say, "How about that!"


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on June 05, 2017, 10:08:33 PM
Rite--Piersall hated movie--but$$$.

Doubt  about  100% not done in a game. Maybe  BP?   More  likely  fielding practice before game.  Recall how  much fun that was  to  watch?  No   more.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on June 06, 2017, 07:37:17 AM
Rite--Piersall hated movie--but$$$.

Doubt  about  100% not done in a game. Maybe  BP?   More  likely  fielding practice before game.  Recall how  much fun that was  to  watch?  No   more.

Yeah, I'm gonna try to find out more about anyone catching ball behind monuments. As for movie, wonder if father, played by Malden, was really THAT much of an ogre.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on June 06, 2017, 05:10:51 PM
I never saw movie--but dads  are  always given bad raps.  Should blame Earl Woods and Richard Williams  too.

As many Yank games as I've seen, and never to have heard it?   Impossible.

He also  brot a bug spray can to the plate  in Houston before the Astrodome  was built .


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on June 06, 2017, 06:51:24 PM
I never saw movie--but dads  are  always given bad raps.  Should blame Earl Woods and Richard Williams  too.

As many Yank games as I've seen, and never to have heard it?   Impossible.

He also  brot a bug spray can to the plate  in Houston before the Astrodome  was built .

Only thing about the monuments story I found was that Bobby Murcer had a ball hit over his head and roll behind the monuments. To field it, he apparently ran between the monuments to get it. Nothing about any catches. Aah, Ryan is a Boston guy ... what does he know!


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on June 07, 2017, 12:02:21 PM
I seem to recall watching a game on TV in which playing for Cleveland, in the middle of an inning at Yankee Stadium, Piersall decided to simply "hide" behind the monuments and would not come out to his CF position until coaxed. Is that possible?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on June 07, 2017, 12:51:29 PM
Sure--bipolars  get  paranoid.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on June 07, 2017, 12:58:58 PM
Mike, think it has been established that anything was possible with Jimmy. Sounds like him! We could use more guys like him in the game today. What's forgotten was he was a very solid -- admittedly not great -- ballplayer.

Story in Wash Post this morning recounted by ex-Senators pitcher Jim Hannan. Hannan hitched a ride with Piersall to the Senators 1962 opener at DC (later renamed RFK) Stadium. Piersall was driving a 1937 Chevy which broke down right in front of the White House (in those days traffic flowed freely on Pennsylvania Avenue). They abandoned the car and got a cab to the stadium. Later, Pres Kennedy (who knew Piersall from Jimmy's Boston days) called Piersall to pull his chain saying "What're you doing leaving that heap in front of my house."


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on June 07, 2017, 03:40:21 PM
Maybe his  messing around was to  distract Mantle--I read that somewhere.

In 63 WS  Howard  hit one off Ford  to monuments--liner then on ground--believe a  double.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on July 01, 2017, 04:27:52 PM
Just WOW!!

NEW YORK (AP) — Two of the most prized items of Babe Ruth memorabilia — both owned by actor Charlie Sheen — sold for more than $2 million each at auction.

Ruth's 1927 World Series ring had a winning bid of $2,093,927 at the first Lelands.com Invitational Auction. The 1919 contract of Ruth's sale from the Red Sox to the Yankees went for $2,303,320. Both started with bids of $100,000.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on July 01, 2017, 05:45:46 PM
I met Sheen--loves   BB.

BTW,  Dodgers had  52  HRs  in June ---broke  record  of  53  Bums--pretty  impressive.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on July 01, 2017, 06:23:04 PM
The ring went for about what it was expected to go for. The contract went for roughly twice as much as they thought that it would bring. Apparently, by wearing the ring, Sheen was very slowly eroding the GHR initials on the inside of the band. Luckily, he stopped but it still lost it some value.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on July 02, 2017, 01:00:57 AM
He has a  great  Clemente  collection.   But his  sale raises the  ?--why,   need the $$ now?

Of real  name  Carlos  Estevez--believe of PR  descent.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on July 02, 2017, 08:05:02 AM
Sheen supposedly is $11M in debt, a sizable chunk of that to the IRS. This $4M doesn't even get him half way home, but a good start I guess. Sad tale.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on July 02, 2017, 12:01:49 PM
Always  the reason.  Why else would  Holyfield,  Erving et all  have auctions.   Baylor  got  about  $300,000 for his All  Star  MVP  -1959--Rookie yr.   Elgin's  reason--

"I wanted to  give the public a chance to see it."  Really? -still  have  not  seen it except in auction catalogue.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on July 02, 2017, 02:31:41 PM
Don't these guys know to hire good accountants. Usually it's the IRS back taxes that kill them financially.  In Sheen's case, guess he could also claim his decision-making impaired by drugs?? Not to mention how much cash he dropped purchasing drugs and other "life-style" items. Still have his Malibu home??


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on July 03, 2017, 12:20:09 AM
2and half men in syndication--got tobe paying him  alot.  The problem is  they think $$ will  keep on coming. 

Also,  too  many yes men.As  Groucho  once said--"I'll  ask my lawyer--if he  says yes,I'll  get a new  lawyer."


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on July 03, 2017, 12:00:54 PM
Saw a report that Richard Jefferson, now with the Cleveland Cavaliers, and a veteran NBA player who was pretty good in his day, had been fleeced $7 MM by his "manager". Sad if true.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on July 03, 2017, 03:07:03 PM
Iverson--BK.   


Nicholas  cage--BK.    Sure the list is endless.

PS  --Jeffersons  high pitched voice  is a trip.   Big guy--6-6,  -6-7  230  lbs.  Give it a listen.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 07, 2017, 08:12:41 AM
Darren Daulton, all-star catcher for Phillies and World Series champion Marlins in the 90s, succumbs to brain cancer. Only in his 50s, age-wise.

Don Baylor also died today.  What a clutch player. Just a tiny bit short of HoF numbers. More clutch, though, than some players already enshrined in Cooperstown.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 07, 2017, 01:31:12 PM
Loved Baylor's  bravery.  Didn't care  about getting  hit--just turned back .  Never got angry when hit.

Briefly with yanks too.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 07, 2017, 04:54:52 PM
Bet few know Baylor once stole 52 bases in a season. A lot for a power guy.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 07, 2017, 05:22:54 PM
Wasn't  he traded  for Reggie?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 07, 2017, 07:30:17 PM
Yes, he was.

Charlie Finley was too cheap to pay Reggie in Oakland and traded Jackson and P Ken Holtzman to the Orioles for Baylor and P Mike Torrez.

Reggie played one season for the Orioles, then signed as a Free Agent with the Yankees. Baylor did the same, playing one year for the A's, then signing as a FA with the Angels.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 07, 2017, 09:02:37 PM
I admit  it--I had  a Reggie bar.  Sort  of like  a  bad  Powerhouse--which was good.   BTW,  are Clark Bars  gone too?.  [ Jack Clark?] ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 08, 2017, 07:55:44 AM
Don't know if Clark Bars are still around or not. I liked them as a kid although they've gotta have kept many dentists in business (the way they stuck to your teeth). Invented in the 19th Century so ... maybe Jack Clark of the NY Highlanders?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 08, 2017, 12:04:01 PM
Joking about  Jack Clark.   ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on August 08, 2017, 12:28:37 PM
I remember Baby Ruth bars.  the urban legend was that they were named after Babe Ruth.  And they started in 1921, at the height of his fame.  But the company always claimed they were named after President Grover Cleveland's daughter, Ruth.  Who would believe THAT?  Especially given that Ruth Cleveland died in 1904, 17 years before the candy bar started and Grover had been out of office for over 30 years and deceased for many years before the candy bar came out.  The rumours were started by the candy company, themselves, Curtiss, making up a story that she had come for a visit to their plant.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 08, 2017, 01:10:16 PM
Joking about  Jack Clark.   ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeah, got the joke. And I think I was recalling Butterfingers anyway (the candy that really stuck to your teeth).  Couldn't get past the fact that Baby Ruth's looked too much like turds.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 08, 2017, 05:22:12 PM
Aha--I get to nitpick with Robb.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Wasn't  the claim  Pres  Taft's  daughter-Ruth.  Much more recent.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on August 09, 2017, 03:08:16 AM
Aha--I get to nitpick with Robb.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Wasn't  the claim  Pres  Taft's  daughter-Ruth.  Much more recent.
President Taft had 3 children, but none were named Ruth.  All 3 would have been well over 20 years old in 1921, way too old to be called "baby".


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 10, 2017, 05:36:02 AM
Robb-right  again.  Wasn't  Cleveland    the only  Pres  to  be Pres twice?  Gt him on the $1000  bill. ;D ;D ;D

Taft  was   only Pres to become a Supreme Ct  Justice.(Obama's goal)


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: Robb_K on August 10, 2017, 05:41:38 AM
Robb-right  again.  Wasn't  Cleveland    the only  Pres  to  be Pres twice?  Gt him on the $1000  bill. ;D ;D ;D

Taft  was   only Pres to become a Supreme Ct  Justice.(Obama's goal)
You mean the only US president to have non-consecutive terms in office?  Yes.  Teddy Roosevelt would have joined him, had he won in 1912 running for The Progressive party (Bull Moose Party).  But, alas, he split The Republican vote, allowing The Democrats to win.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 10, 2017, 08:20:53 AM
Interesting tidbit: William McKinley, as we all know, was shot in Buffalo while attending the Pan-American Exposition of 1901. Think he basically died of sepsis resulting from the doctors of the day being unable to locate and remove the fatal bullet.

Literally right next door to where he was shot and lay on the floor was a display of the very first X-Ray machine. No "connection" to the problem at hand was ever made. Tragic if true.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 11, 2017, 02:53:34 AM
Joe--Garfield died of sepsis  from doctors  horse manure stained  hands.   Guiteau's shots were not fatal--the dr  swere.   Guiteau  tried a double defense  -thedrs kileed him & insanity.  Garfield shot in July-died Sept.   81.   

Guiteau  hung  early  82.

Not sure drs killed McKinley--but  by then they  agreed with Lister and  kept wounds  clean.  BTW, an unheralded black  caught  Leon Czolgos who was    Killed in Edisons electric  chair.


BTw,  Bell invented  a metal detector  to find the bullet   in Garfield --not work bec of metal springs &  drs  controlling--incorrectly where he could look.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 11, 2017, 08:30:24 AM
Doctor, thnx for the add'l info. As you say, even if they had used the xray machine to find the bullet, likely McKinley woulda died from the doctor's introducing infection. I had heard the bed springs account.

With Garfield, didn't the docs keep trying surgeries/probes throughout the time he hung on, each procedure making him worse?

Czolgos reportedly shook so badly on the walk from cell to electric chair, the guards had to carry him. Not an act to slow down the process, apparently scared out of his mind, crying uncontrollably. Wonder how many of the condemned stride outwardly unfazed to their fate, and how many are basket cases a la Czolgos.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 11, 2017, 09:36:16 PM
Not suredrs killed  McKinley--but didnt  helpmuch. 

Yes the drs tortured  poor Garfield.   He was  brilliant.  Could  write  ancient  Greek with R  hand  and  Latin with left  simultaneously.   I wrote tothe US treasury--wondered why no  coin or currency to  memorialize  James.   No  answer.I have a Garfield bil  from bank of Mass.

Amazing fact--Todd  Lincoln was present  at death of Abe(his son),  and also Garfield, & yes  McKinley--worked in both adminstrations.

Did Todd  work  for Kennedy or  King? ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 14, 2017, 10:09:27 PM
Most unlikely  ---Dale  Long.  Thot of this  wen Stanton  hit HR  in 5 straight  today.  How the hell  does  a left handed catcher   set a record that  Ruth, Joe, Mickey.Willie  could not, nor any of the recent steroid  boys--Bonds etc

I contend  this is the most unlikely  record  setter ever. [maybe Van der Meer]


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doowopbob on August 15, 2017, 12:59:42 AM
Dale Long was primarily a First Baseman and had some decent power.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 15, 2017, 08:14:38 AM
Most unlikely  ---Dale  Long.  Thot of this  wen Stanton  hit HR  in 5 straight  today.  How the hell  does  a left handed catcher   set a record that  Ruth, Joe, Mickey.Willie  could not, nor any of the recent steroid  boys--Bonds etc

I contend  this is the most unlikely  record  setter ever. [maybe Van der Meer]

Think Frank Howard homered in 8 straight with the Senators. Late 60s.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 15, 2017, 03:17:22 PM
I know  he was  a 1B  man--but he did catch a little.  Still  his record  that not  one of  the elite  power boys isncredible.   

Joe--more sure than  Torrence--doubt  FH  tied record--we'llhave to check.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 15, 2017, 04:26:32 PM
I know  he was  a 1B  man--but he did catch a little.  Still  his record  that not  one of  the elite  power boys isncredible.   

Joe--more sure than  Torrence--doubt  FH  tied record--we'llhave to check.

Doc, I stand corrected. You are right, although this is pretty amazing:

"During an amazing one-week stretch in the spring of 1968 (May 12–18), Howard hammered 10 home runs in 20 at bats, with at least one in six consecutive games; his 10 home runs are also the most ever in one week. He would go on to hit 13 homers in 16 games, a mark that still stands, matched only by Albert Belle in 1995.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 15, 2017, 06:04:30 PM
There  are a couple records  that  CAN but will  never be broken.   Tatis  2  GSlams  in one inning.  Vandermeer  2   no nos in a row.   Prob not -- Ripken
n's and  Roses .  And with  the  change in pitching-- stuff like career complete games-(Marichal  has 250),   year complete games etc.  Innings in a yr--Ryan  360?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 15, 2017, 07:46:53 PM
There  are a couple records  that  CAN but will  never be broken.   Tatis  2  GSlams  in one inning.  Vandermeer  2   no nos in a row.   Prob not -- Ripken
n's and  Roses .  And with  the  change in pitching-- stuff like career complete games-(Marichal  has 250),   year complete games etc.  Innings in a yr--Ryan  360?
Joe D's 56 game hitting streak? Someone hitting .400? These seem like records/accomplishments that definitely could be broken/attained but .... as close as people have come, they still stand for 75 years and counting now.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doowopbob on August 15, 2017, 08:51:21 PM
I think some of the pitching records and milestones are becoming harder to reach with the way MLB handles their staffs now. Wasting a RP for a one hitter match up makes no sense to me.  I agree about Joe D.; Cal; Juan; Pete and Nolan - out of reach.  The GS in one inning can happen again, heck, a Braves pitcher in the 60s did, I think it was Tony Cloninger.  Rick Wise Phillies/Redsox may have done it also.  Two no nom in a row, not likely the way staffs are handled now.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 15, 2017, 11:14:36 PM
Joe  agree  the 56  game  streak  is impossible.  Hit  in 66  for SF Seals.

Is it really  possible  to  hit 3 GS  in an inning?   Don't have my computer,  but   IMO  NO  batter in MLB has EVER  been  up  3 times in an inning.  (Expect maybe LL  or T=Ball). It would have to be  about a  30 run inning  to  hit  3  GSs.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on August 16, 2017, 08:17:52 AM
Pete Rose hit in 44 straight. That tells me Joe D's record could be broken. What did Geo Brett end at, .388? Pretty close too. Always thought a guy like Ichiro could do both -- someone with wheels and bat control.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on August 16, 2017, 11:47:34 AM
Cy Young's 511 (some say 512) wins. Jack Chesbro's 40+ wins in a single season.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 16, 2017, 09:48:56 PM
400  is  possible--Brett--390?  And  no infield hits.

Roses  44--but no  more  Roses.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on August 22, 2017, 10:33:23 PM
Granderson  just set  record--shortest time  between  GS  for 2  teams  --5  games--Mets/Dodgers.  The  record  was  8 games  set by an unknown  Red Sox  in 1953.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on September 06, 2017, 12:44:49 PM
Judge--1st rookie   since Gilliam  in 53  with 100 walks.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on September 23, 2017, 10:11:14 PM
Scooter  Jennett just   hit 4th  GS .    Second  player  ever to  have  4 GSs  in a yr  and  4  HR  in  game in same yr. --just  him  and  Lou Gehrig.  What? ??? ??? ??? ???

Another  Bob Horner/ Tatis






Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: bklynmike101 on September 24, 2017, 01:09:48 PM
Plus didn't Tony Cloninger, pitcher, hit 2 GSs in one inning or one game or some such?


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on September 24, 2017, 01:15:07 PM
I  saw  in person  Tatis  2  GS in  one  inning.    Both  off  Park.   Cloninger  hit  2  in one  game--Tatis only  guy  to hit  2 in  one inning.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: doctordoowop on November 08, 2017, 06:02:33 PM
Please tell  me it  ain't so.   Is Sammy Sosa  now white? ;D ;D ;D

Google  & all over social  media.

Yeah, i want to buy a bridge in Brooklyn too.


Title: Re: Baseball Threaad (especially from the time of our youth)
Post by: JoeC on November 14, 2017, 10:24:56 AM
RIP, Bobby Doerr, HoF 2B for the Red Sox, and best friend (along with Johnny Pesky and Dom DiMaggio) of Ted Williams .  He was 99 years old, oldest living MLB player. All four of those Red Sox players of note were West Coast guys -- Doerr from LA, Williams from San Diego, DiMaggio from San Fran, and Pesky from Oregon.

Doerr started for the Hollywood Stars in the PCL at age 16! Was in the Major Leagues two years later.