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Title: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 27, 2017, 09:13:54 AM
Got a trivia category for everything else ...

1. Bonus Baby rule -- in effect from 1947-57. Any player who initially signed for $4,000 or more could not be "farmed out." That's roughly $40,000 in today's dollars. Reason for the rule was to prevent "hoarding" by richer clubs and, of course, to keep bonus amounts low.

2.Yanks played 22 doubleheaders in 1950. Berra caught both games in every one of them (even when, in one case, first game went 15 innings). Poor Charlie Silvera.

3. In 1950, Berra struck out -- get this -- 12 times in 656 ABs. Why can't players do that today?

4. Joe D and Stengel rarely spoke in the two years they were together. Communicated through GM George Weiss or one of the owners.

5. Phillies were purchased in 1943 for $80,000 (a bit over one million dollars in today's money). Think about that compared to the sale of the Dodgers for $2 Billion or the Marlins sale to Bush-Jeter for $1.3 Billion!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 27, 2017, 01:35:00 PM
Todays  teams don't  care about  k's.   

Think JoeD  had around 370 HRs   and  about  360 K's.  Amazing.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 27, 2017, 04:31:33 PM
Some of the "Bonus Babies from that 1947-57 era. Some HoFers (Koufax, Kaline and Killebrew); some really nice players (Antonelli, C Boyer, O'Dell, and Groat), a few average Joes, and many busts.

Johnny Antonelli
Joey Amalfitano
Reno Bertoia
Steve Boros
Clete Boyer
Tommy Carroll
Wayne Causey
Billy Consolo
Moe Drabowsky
Paul Giel
Dick Groat
Joey Jay
Al Kaline
Harmon Killebrew
Sandy Koufax
Frank Leja
Lindy McDaniel
Von McDaniel
Eddie & Johnny O'Brien
Billy O'Dell
Jerry Walker




Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 27, 2017, 07:02:45 PM
No DH now, just  day nites.  Teams want all  162 dates.  Wait  3 hrs if raining--and no games called bc of "wet grounds."

Occ postponed bc of lightning. Recall Rizutto   got struck of top  of cap.  Always afraidof thunder.

As u know  then  DHs every Sunday  & Mem Day, July 4th & Labor Day.   Plus tomake up rainouts. 

I liked Twilite-  Night  DHs--started  about 5PM.

Saw  1st DH at Dodger Stadium--1967--to  make up for 1st rainout in 10 yrs.   LA-Cards.





Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 28, 2017, 08:06:07 AM
Somewhere, I thought I'd heard LA had never had a rainout but I go with your first hand account. Sounds good for tourism and the SoCal image to say that though. 

Given that he swung at a ton of "bad balls," I'm still trying to wrap my head around Yogi's 12 K's in over 650 AB. Musta had the greatest eye-hand coordination ever.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 28, 2017, 01:08:33 PM
Been 6-7  in  55yrs. 

But 1st was in spring of  67. That may have caused the only DH   at Dodger stadium.   

Yogi swung at bad balls, but  HIT them.


In 41  wen Ted hit  .406   a sac fly was an out.   Not  sure how many points that cost him-- 6or 7 at least.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 28, 2017, 01:37:33 PM
Been 6-7  in  55yrs.  

But 1st was in spring of  67. That may have caused the only DH   at Dodger stadium.  

Yogi swung at bad balls, but  HIT them.


In 41  wen Ted hit  .406   a sac fly was an out.   Not  sure how many points that cost him-- 6or 7 at least.

Definitely cost him points. Did not know that.

Also, didn't realize the players' practice of leaving their gloves on the field after a defensive half inning continued through the 1953 season. Thought that was an "early days" thing. Corner infielders left their gloves in foul ground but CF and middle infielders left theirs on the grass. And read that widespread use of batting helmets didn't happen until 1955. And, even then, many just wore a helmet "liner," not the helmut we know today.

Read an article about Casey Stengel. He married a well-to-do woman from Glendale (heiress to some banking wealth). Inherited his in-laws home, a very nice Spanish/Moorish place (4800 sq ft) at the base of the San Gabriel Mountains (northeast from where the 134 and 5 intersect). On his own, he invested in oil wells in Okla and Ark with a good number that "came in." Plus made good money managing the Yanks. Lived in the Essex House on Central Park South during season, with his wife. When he died ('75), quick trip to Forest Lawn. Already lived in the general neighborhood.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 28, 2017, 07:55:01 PM
In NY Mets inaugural season (1962), they drew 12,447 to their home opener at the Polo Grounds and, if you subtract  big crowds when the Dodgers and Giants  visited, they averaged only a little over 9,000 per home game. Hardly says that NYC was thirsting for NL baseball.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 28, 2017, 10:48:27 PM
Was  at  Mem day  DH  in 62--Mets v dodgers.  Think  Koufax & Drysdale  pitched.

Love Casey's line in 55  "  They  finally  get me  a n----r  and he  cant run."   Elston Howard.

His  record  was sick---  won 49,50 51, 52  and  53. FIVE in a row.

talking to  older  Dodgers--Branca, Loes,  Erskine, Roe,Duke--They  all  agreed the   53  Dodgers were the  best. Member Mantle  was  hurt  in 55-did he play at all?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 29, 2017, 07:53:01 AM
Yeah, Mickey played. Don't know how many games but I do recall him hitting a homer off Johnny Podres in one of the early games.

The way the Yanks let Rizzuto go was classic. GM Weiss called him to his office and said, "We have a chance to get Eddie Robinson, who do you think we ought to drop off the roster?"  Phil was flattered; thought he was being consulted as a team "elder" so he threw a couple guys under the bus. Then ... he realizes it's HIM!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 29, 2017, 12:25:38 PM
MM played--but mostly Cerv I think.    Had Leja  and  Carroll Yankee  BB cards--but they  never played.

That 62 DH  with Dodgers was SRO!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 29, 2017, 01:01:38 PM
MM played--but mostly Cerv I think.    Had Leja  and  Carroll Yankee  BB cards--but they  never played.

That 62 DH  with Dodgers was SRO!

Am sure it was. As I said, though, other than Giants and Dodgers they didn't draw flies in the three years at the Polo Grounds. Once they moved to Queens... different story. Didn't hurt that World's Fair opened in '64 too.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 30, 2017, 06:17:10 PM
Trivia Question:

Anthony Rendon went 6-6, 3 HR and 10 RBI in today's game against the Mets.

Name the three other players to go 6-for-6 with 3 HRs in a single game?

Clue: One did it for the Dodgers in 2002, one for the Mets in 1999, and one for Tigers in 1925.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 30, 2017, 06:52:02 PM
Piazza, Cobb  and  ?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 30, 2017, 08:24:14 PM
Cobb is correct (I didn't think he hit many HRs). Wonder if they were all inside-the-park jobs? Wasn't he sort of a slap hitter?

Being an Angeleno, can't let you off the hook yet on the 2002 Dodger. Not Piazza. Another clue: An outfielder.

The '99 Met is pretty impossible. Their 2B that year who hit over .300, 27 HR and drove in 108. Latino. I never hear his name anymore.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 30, 2017, 08:41:41 PM
Green?   

99-Met  no  clue.

Like how Lombardi got  rid of Jim Ringo.  Jim  said he had an agent-Vin called him and told Ringo--"Talk to the Eagles. You are not  here anymore."


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 30, 2017, 09:30:43 PM
Shawn Green was the guy. 6 for 6, 3 of them HRs. Not easy to do. That's always gonna be a career game.

The Met 2B was Edgardo Alfonzo. Mets went to the WS the next year, right? With Piazza?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 30, 2017, 10:00:58 PM
Yes--v Yanks--wen Clemens  threw  bat  at  Mike


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 01, 2017, 04:37:59 PM
Cobb is correct (I didn't think he hit many HRs). Wonder if they were all inside-the-park jobs? Wasn't he sort of a slap hitter?

Being an Angeleno, can't let you off the hook yet on the 2002 Dodger. Not Piazza. Another clue: An outfielder.
The '99 Met is pretty impossible. Their 2B that year who hit over .300, 27 HR and drove in 108. Latino. I never hear his name anymore.
Cobb was a slap hitter, but he hit a lot of wicked line drives.  I think he hit 2 or 3 over the fence in short left or right field stadia during the 2 years he hit 12 home runs.  He was fairly high in the list of HR hitters before 1919.  But, yes, most of his home runs were triples he legged into HRs.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 01, 2017, 05:05:49 PM
Cobb is correct (I didn't think he hit many HRs). Wonder if they were all inside-the-park jobs? Wasn't he sort of a slap hitter?

Being an Angeleno, can't let you off the hook yet on the 2002 Dodger. Not Piazza. Another clue: An outfielder.
The '99 Met is pretty impossible. Their 2B that year who hit over .300, 27 HR and drove in 108. Latino. I never hear his name anymore.
Cobb was a slap hitter, but he hit a lot of wicked line drives.  I think he hit 2 or 3 over the fence in short left or right field stadia during the 2 years he hit 12 home runs.  He was fairly high in the list of HR hitters before 1919.  But, yes, most of his home runs were triples he legged into HRs.

1925 was, not surprisingly, one of his two 12 HR years (had 12 triples too). Amazing that 3 of the 12 HRS were in one game! Hit .378 and drove in 102.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 01, 2017, 05:24:04 PM
Mets in Polo for 2 yrs--62 &  63.  Shea opened  with Worlds Fair in 64.

Didn't O'Dell  give up  Wertz  490  foot  out  in 54 WS?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 01, 2017, 05:28:14 PM
Had Amalfitano,  Bertoia , &  Consolo  1955- cards-. Wondered who the hell they were.   Joe and Billy  from LA area.

PS--met  Joe A. in Vero-very nice guy.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 01, 2017, 06:07:10 PM
Mets in Polo for 2 yrs--62 &  63.  Shea opened  with Worlds Fair in 64.

Didn't O'Dell  give up  Wertz  490  foot  out  in 54 WS?

Definitely NOT Billy O'Dell. He started with the Orioles in mid-50s, then pitched a number of years for the Giants, who already were in SF. 

Good trivia question on who did Wertz hit that drive off? Don't have a clue.

Remember how the NY tabloids use to use a dotted line and a picture with tape measure hits/HRs?  I recall that hit getting that treatment the next day and it was measured at 420 feet. The Polo Grounds CF wall was 483 from home plate. 490 woulda definitely put the ball outa there, or at least off the wall!!

Here's a related trivia question. Only 4 players ever homered over the 483 wall. Aaron and Adcock were two. Have no idea who the other two were.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 02, 2017, 09:27:38 PM
Lou  Brock   was  one.   Think v.  Mets.

4th?  Hodges?   Babe  played  there  from  what  20-22  and didn't?

I'll  have to cheat  and look up   the  Wertz  HR.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 02, 2017, 09:29:40 PM
Just in ---Roy Sievers-- RIP  --died April  3.

1st  AL R  of Y  in 49 w/ Browns.

1st  Nat  league  R of  Y?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 02, 2017, 09:37:12 PM
Knew it was  a small  lefty--Don Liddle.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 02, 2017, 09:44:00 PM
Knew it was  a small  lefty--Don Liddle.

Never coulda come up with Liddle's name.

I had to look up the 4th guy to homer over the CF wall at the Polo Grounds. Sort of a trick question in that it turns out it was Luke Easter, while he was playing in the Negro Leagues in 1948. So ... only 3 ML players (altho Easter later became one).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 02, 2017, 10:09:54 PM
Just in ---Roy Sievers-- RIP  --died April  3.

1st  AL R  of Y  in 49 w/ Browns.

1st  Nat  league  R of  Y?
Jackie Robinson - 1947.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 02, 2017, 10:30:00 PM
That's what I thought--at 1st. Then saw  Sievers was 1st AL in 49.  Maybe like  Cy Young--1st  only one winner, then  one from each league.

Was  Jackie  R of Y  and MVP   in 47?

Wat about Newk in 49?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 03, 2017, 08:43:03 AM
Right, first two years there was only one winner, then '49 one for each league.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 03, 2017, 05:17:00 PM
That  explains it-- thanx Joe.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 03, 2017, 05:22:55 PM
Luke Easter--wow--but he laid an egg ;D ;D ;D in Cleveland.

tricky -like Mantle 1st HR in the Dome.

Another tricky one-now outdated.    The team to play in  Rose Bowl the most?  For yrs the ans was  Cal Tech--unti UCLA  moved there 20+  yrs ago.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 03, 2017, 06:01:02 PM
Luke Easter--wow--but he laid an egg ;D ;D ;D in Cleveland.

tricky -like Mantle 1st HR in the Dome.

Another tricky one-now outdated.    The team to play in  Rose Bowl the most?  For yrs the ans was  Cal Tech--unti UCLA  moved there 20+  yrs ago.

I would say Luke Easter was a "Good Egg" for The Indians, hitting homers over 30 once and in the high 20s twice, and knocking in over 100 runs (RBIs) in his first 2 years wth the team.  playing full time for them, starting at 34 years old.  Like Monty irvin, Satchel Paige, and many more African-American players, who came to The Majors at the end of The 1940s/start of 1950s, he had spent the majority of his career in The Negro Leagues.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 03, 2017, 07:35:15 PM
That's my recollection of Easter with the Tribe. VERY good hitter.

Luke is the only player who I personally saw be the victim of racism on the field. He was playing 1B for the Rochester Red Wings of the International League. Had to be 1956 or 57 in Richmond, Va. I was a young teen sitting in the box seats near 1B. Several racists were "on" Luke the entire game calling him every derogatory racial name in the book. Nobody did anything about their behavior. Of course, these guys were drunk. Easter had the biggest chest and shoulders I ever saw in baseball. A massive guy.

He was murdered in the late 70s in Cleveland in an armed robbery.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 03, 2017, 10:44:49 PM
Wally  Post  just  drifted  into my mind.

Joe--what memorable feat?  1st  HR  in Dodger  Stadium?   Something like that.  I'll  wait before i  search Google.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 03, 2017, 11:18:08 PM
Thanx  Robb-could not  resist  putting  Easter and  egg in same  sentence. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2017, 08:15:32 AM
Wally  Post  just  drifted  into my mind.

Joe--what memorable feat?  1st  HR  in Dodger  Stadium?   Something like that.  I'll  wait before i  search Google.

Doctor, you lost me. What post was I talking about memorable feat in?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 12:40:58 PM
Joe-sorry. His name  was Wally  Post--OF Reds.  You know him.

He did something like 1st HR in Dodger Stadium.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2017, 01:31:22 PM
 Sure. That Reds OF of the mid-50s could bomb away. Wally Post, Jim Greengrass and Gus Bell.  Then, there was 1B Big Klu, Bailey the catcher. Johnny Temple and Roy McMillan not so much, though Temple hit for average.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 04, 2017, 02:22:07 PM
Sure. That Reds OF of the mid-50s could bomb away. Wally Post, Jim Greengrass and Gus Bell.  Then, there was 1B Big Klu, Bailey the catcher. Johnny Temple and Roy McMillan not so much, though Temple hit for average.

Crosley Field was a little crackerbox.  That's why Post, Kluzewski and Gus Bell had so many homers.  When Post moved to The Phillies, he only hit in the low 20s, instead of around 40, like with The Redlegs.  Post was with The phillies when he hit that HR in Dodger Stadium or The Coleseum.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2017, 03:48:38 PM
Amen to that crackerbox comment on Crosley. Although think Kluszewski woulda got his share anywhere.

When I was mentally going over the players on that teaM, I think I got all the starting position guys but 3B. Anyone recall who played there?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 05:00:17 PM
Hoak, Jablonski? Freese? I  Wont cheat --give someone a chance.

Reds changed All Star voting--member wen had  Pinson too-almost whole team.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on May 04, 2017, 05:01:53 PM
3B Willie "Puddin head" Jones was with that club for a year or two, albeit a bit later (Circa '59-60).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on May 04, 2017, 05:04:55 PM
One year, the Reds "facilitated" All-Star voting when the fans had the vote - soon to be taken away for many moons - and all 8 NL starters were Reds until the NL President (Harridge?) or Commissioner (Frick?) stepped in an mandated Stash as A-S 1B.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 05:08:20 PM
Warren Giles--Harridge was AL.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 05:49:02 PM
What AAA  team was in Atlanta  before  the Braves  moved  there about 1965?

Not sure.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 05:49:39 PM
What AAA  team was in Atlanta  before  the Braves  moved  there about 1965?

Not sure.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 05:51:50 PM
Sorry-- can one delete  a duplicated  post?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2017, 07:10:37 PM
Sorry-- can one delete  a duplicated  post?

Think only mods can do that! Could be wrong.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2017, 07:12:43 PM
Hoak, Jablonski? Freese? I  Wont cheat --give someone a chance.

Reds changed All Star voting--member wen had  Pinson too-almost whole team.

Think you're right, Dr., i.e., mid-50s Reds 3B was sorta "played by committee." Like the '59 White Sox World Series team. Solid regulars everywhere but third.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on May 04, 2017, 07:23:19 PM
Does this imply you're not a fervent Sammy Esposito fan?  Billy Goodman perhaps? 


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 04, 2017, 09:05:35 PM
3B Willie "Puddin head" Jones was with that club for a year or two, albeit a bit later (Circa '59-60).
Jones was never The Reds' regular 3rd baseman.  Only regular with The Phillies.  Don Hoak was The Reds' regular 3rd Baseman during the crazy 1957 season, when The NL let the fans choose the all stars, and The Reds "won" 7 of the 9 NL starting positions.  What a farce that was!  Hoak beat out Eddie Matthews and Ken Boyer!

Didn't Pittsburgh trade Gene Freese to Cincy in the trade for Don Hoak?  It seems like Pittsburgh and Cincinnatti were trading partners wedded to each other in the 1950s and '60s, just like Cleveland and The White Sox were.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 04, 2017, 09:44:01 PM
What AAA  team was in Atlanta  before  the Braves  moved  there about 1965?
Not sure.

The Braves moved to Atlanta for the 1966 season.  Wasn't The Atlanta Southern Association team called "The Crackers"?   :D  Or, am I just a reverse racist?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 09:53:29 PM
Right--Freese for Hoak  rings a bell.  Hoak  on  1960 Pirates  of course.

Think  it was  Crackers.   Very interesting --Cracker only  recently -20-30yrs-  became a racist term.   Because  why would the  Atlanta Negro team have  been called the  Crackers? 

Doubt blacks would adopt a (then)  racist nickname.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2017, 10:27:37 PM
Does this imply you're not a fervent Sammy Esposito fan?  Billy Goodman perhaps? 

Whoever the Sox plugged in at thrd in '59 stood out like a sore thumb literally next to Fox and Apariciio in the middle infield. Plus, the Sox had to scramle to create runs and guys like Freese, Esposito and Goodman (was he there at the end of his ccareer?) didn't help offensively at all. Mighta won it all if they had a power bat at third.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 10:34:13 PM
Bubba  Phillips  played  3b  the  most,  as i recall.

Post was  1st HR  in Dodger St, who in Coliseum?

Anyone recall TWO  All Star games?--about  3 yrs in late 50s.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 04, 2017, 10:43:35 PM
Right--Freese for Hoak  rings a bell.  Hoak  on  1960 Pirates  of course.

Think  it was  Crackers.   Very interesting --Cracker only  recently -20-30yrs-  became a racist term.   Because  why would the  Atlanta Negro team have  been called the  Crackers?  
Doubt blacks would adopt a (then)  racist nickname.
Are you sure you don't have the names mixed up?  I was referring to The Southern Association and American Association Atlanta AA and AAA Caucasian team, which was The Braves' main farm team before they moved to Atlanta.  I seem to remember the Atlanta Negro American League team having a slightly different name.  The Atlanta Negro League team was called "The Black Crackers".  Blacks have been calling White racists "Crackers" for over 150 years.  I heard that way back in the 1940s.  It was a derogatory name for rural, uneducated poor Whites.  They both played in the same stadium (Ponce De Leon Stadium).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 10:49:40 PM
I own  a  memorabilia figurine of Negro league  player--"Crackers" emblazoned  across the chest.

Have to  check dates--think  1956  on  base of figure.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 04, 2017, 10:54:42 PM
Does this imply you're not a fervent Sammy Esposito fan?  Billy Goodman perhaps? 

Whoever the Sox plugged in at third in '59 stood out like a sore thumb literally next to Fox and Apariciio in the middle infield. Plus, the Sox had to scramble to create runs and guys like Freese, Esposito and Goodman (was he there at the end of his career?) didn't help offensively at all. Mighta won it all if they had a power bat at third.
Billy Goodman was still a pretty decent hitter his first few years with The Sox.  So was Gene Freese.  They used outfielder, Al Smith at third a couple years.  He was a very good hitter, but not a good 3rd baseman.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2017, 10:56:48 PM
Robb--nice article  in Wiki.

Atlanta Black Crackers existed from 1920 to  early 50s.   Strange  name,huh?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 04, 2017, 11:09:47 PM
Robb--nice article  in Wiki.
Atlanta Black Crackers existed from 1920 to  early 50s.   Strange  name,huh?
It was something like The Brooklyn Dodgers baseball and football teams, and New York Yankees baseball and football teams, sharing the same stadiums.  The Atlanta (White) Crackers were there first.  The Negro League team came to join them in the same stadium.  So they named them "The Black Crackers". The White "Crackers" were proud of being "ignorant" and "racist".  So, The Black Crackers could enjoy that funny name in two different ways.  One, a statement that they are as good as the AA team, and the other as mocking the racists.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 05, 2017, 08:05:18 AM
Right--Freese for Hoak  rings a bell.  Hoak  on  1960 Pirates  of course.

Think  it was  Crackers.   Very interesting --Cracker only  recently -20-30yrs-  became a racist term.   Because  why would the  Atlanta Negro team have  been called the  Crackers?  
Doubt blacks would adopt a (then)  racist nickname.
Are you sure you don't have the names mixed up?  I was referring to The Southern Association and American Association Atlanta AA and AAA Caucasian team, which was The Braves' main farm team before they moved to Atlanta.  I seem to remember the Atlanta Negro American League team having a slightly different name.  The Atlanta Negro League team was called "The Black Crackers".  Blacks have been calling White racists "Crackers" for over 150 years.  I heard that way back in the 1940s.  It was a derogatory name for rural, uneducated poor Whites.  They both played in the same stadium (Ponce De Leon Stadium).

I well remember the Birmingham (AL) Black Barons when my Dad was teaching ROTC at U of Alabama 1949-51. Negro Leagues.

Homestead Grays played home games at old Griffith Stadium in DC.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on May 05, 2017, 12:18:20 PM
Bubba  Phillips  played  3b  the  most,  as i recall.

Post was  1st HR  in Dodger St, who in Coliseum?

Anyone recall TWO  All Star games?--about  3 yrs in late 50s.

I definitely remember 2 A-S games per year. That was the case when I first discovered baseball in '59 - thought it was the norm although it turned out to be short lived. Seems to me, all-star games had more meaning back then than they do today - in all sports. Today's NBA A-S weekend is virtually unwatchable, including the "game" itself.

Didn't Wally Moon hit the 1st Dodger Coliseum HR? Either way, he was of course famous for his "moonshots" as a Coliseum Dodger.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 05, 2017, 01:28:18 PM
Looked  at my figurine--Bottom says "1940  Atlanta Black Crackers" & on Jersey  is A  B   C.  & A  on cap.

Still strange name to me. Robb may be rite tho.

Maye 3 AS  games  59-61 or so,not  sure  when  started and stopped.

Video of Williams HR  in 41 AS  game  in Detroit. --it  was 12th inning & Ted was still in game.

Even some NBA players are admitting the game has become a joke.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 06, 2017, 12:49:02 PM
Joe--Gagne  just signed  with Ind League  Li  Ducks.   He has  2 choices  to  get back to MLB-- get on Clemens PED regimen.or learn  knuckler. ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 06, 2017, 06:09:31 PM
Other than Hoyt Wilhelm, don't want a knuckle baller in my bullpen, at least in setup or closer role. Long man might work. Think EG is DONE!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 07, 2017, 10:47:22 AM
Think  Hough  did  some relief a bit  for Dodgers.  But  I never thought EG  woildmake it.

Article about  Khris Davis in LA Times  today.   Said  he  was only the  7th player  in BB history  with  40+  HR   who is 5:10   or less.

Are  the  other  6  that  short?

Mays-?
Ott---?
Campy--Yes
Hack Wilson-Yes
Al  Rosen-?
Kevin Mitchell-?




Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 07, 2017, 11:36:05 AM
Ott was shorter than 5'10. Most "official" records say 5'9, 170.

Willie Mays I've seen "officially" listed as both 5'10, 170 and 5'11, 180.  

Al Rosen, who went to my alma mater (Univ of Miami), was 5'10, 180.

Kevin Mitchell -- most often listed at 5'11, 210.

I'd be most skeptical of Mitchell's height (the more modern the era, the more exaggerating went on).

With height measurements so subjective, could be any of them.

I always thought Mays was at least 6'0, maybe taller. Aaron, Musial and Gehrig were 6 feet. Ruth was 6'2 and Ted Williams and H. Greenberg were 6'3. Kiner was 6'2. Mantle was 5'11. Interesting how the sub-6 footers who were sluggers grew in our eyes.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 07, 2017, 05:35:14 PM
Rite  Joe.   

Seen Mays  listed  as 5:11.    Not sure  about  Mitchell.

How about Judge?  6:7--282?   wow. 

Article  said  Howard  was  6:7  too,  but  "only"  250 or so.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 07, 2017, 05:42:41 PM
Rite  Joe.   

Seen Mays  listed  as 5:11.    Not sure  about  Mitchell.

How about Judge?  6:7--282?   wow. 

Article  said  Howard  was  6:7  too,  but  "only"  250 or so.
Joe Judge was only about 5 ft. 8 and 150 lb.    I don't think Judge Keenesaw Mountain Landis wasn't 6 ft. 7 inches.  What other Judges were in Baseball?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 07, 2017, 05:55:14 PM
Rite  Joe.   

Seen Mays  listed  as 5:11.    Not sure  about  Mitchell.

How about Judge?  6:7--282?   wow. 

Article  said  Howard  was  6:7  too,  but  "only"  250 or so.

I only saw F. Howard on the field; he looked like a helluva big man, whatever his weight. You saw him up close, no? Of course, he might have shed some pounds later in life, like many huge guys tend to do (especially NFL linermen).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 07, 2017, 05:58:46 PM
Robb, word may not have reached The Netherlands yet about NY Yankee rookie OF, Aaron Judge. Huge guy (think from Fresno, CA) who is hitting many HRs thus far in the early going.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 07, 2017, 05:59:29 PM
Judge--new Yankee  R fielder.   Had  13   HR  in April?

ESPN  quoted some coaches saying he's a big Jeter--athletic,good personality etc.   Wonder if a polite  way  of saying he's  mixed.(Looks it)


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 07, 2017, 06:07:05 PM
Howard  along with  Yeager  were  my coaches  one yr.   Frank  is  definitely  6-7--played center for  OSU,rite?

He didn't  get fat--so  was about  240-250--but 280?   Wow!

Yanks are cashing in on  draft picks.  Who is  Hicks?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 07, 2017, 06:56:23 PM
Robb, word may not have reached The Netherlands yet about NY Yankee rookie OF, Aaron Judge. Huge guy (think from Fresno, CA) who is hitting many HRs thus far in the early going.
There's no interest in US baseball here.  But, even if there were, I wouldn't know about it.  I stopped following baseball after the 1969 season, other than paying attention to Hank aaron's assault on Babe Ruth's record.  I don't think I could mention the name of 5 pro baseball players who started The Majors after 1970, to save my life.

I moved to The Netherlands in 1972.  If I WOULD be interested, I could follow it on The Internet, just as I do North American hockey.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 07, 2017, 07:18:43 PM
Robb, Netherlands has a very good, competitive team in the World Baseball Classic. Stocked with natives of Aruba and Curacao.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 08, 2017, 04:31:56 PM
Robb-glad to see your  Oilers  beat Ducks yesterday  7-1.  5-0  in 1st period.  GO  Oilers.  McDavid best  young guy in league.

Joe--SD  rained out  Sunday.  3rd since  Petco  opened in 2004.

Last Dodger  Stadium   rainout  2000.


Is  Mike  Clevenger  --Cleve pitcher--related to Tex. I recall  he  pitched  for  Cleve  too, among others.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 08, 2017, 06:54:29 PM
Clevengers don't appear related.

Does it rain less in SD than LA? Or, basically same weather when it comes to precip?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 08, 2017, 07:36:46 PM
Slightly  Joe.   


Ave  rainfall---LA  -14 inches

                    SD-10.

NY  used to  be  42"   no idea now.

Seattle  is  what  80" ?

For  reasons we discussed almost no rainouts now--and  haven't heard  "wet grounds."for yrs.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 20, 2017, 08:30:48 PM
Doctor, hear that Tommy LaSorda is hospitalized again (he's 89). Didn't say where or for what. Is he still living in Orange County? Any info from the local papers?

Saw him pitch many games in the old Int'l League for the Montreal Royals. Seemed to me like he led the IL in wins., ERA or both throughout the mid-50s. Sorta like a poor man's Whitey Ford (I mean that as a compliment)!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 20, 2017, 10:54:16 PM
Slightly  Joe.   


Ave  rainfall---LA  -14 inches

                    SD-10.

NY  used to  be  42"   no idea now.

Seattle  is  what  80" ?

For  reasons we discussed almost no rainouts now--and  haven't heard  "wet grounds."for yrs.

Seattle gets about 34 inches of rain per year.  They get a LOT of rainy days, but a lot of those days are drizzle.  They don't get a lot of heavy rain because they are in the "rain shadow" of The Olympic Mountains.  Coastal Washington areas both north and south of The Seattle metro Area get 70-80 inches.  The coastal area to the immediate west of The Olympics gets 110 inches per year.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on May 21, 2017, 12:36:47 PM
The winter (2 months) I was working in, and commuting to Seattle, it rained constantly - not much in the way of downpour type activity, true, but far more than a drizzle. Soggy, damp, and dark.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 21, 2017, 03:47:14 PM
Joe--Tommy  still lives in Fullerton.   Few miles  N of DLand.  LA  Times  says undisclosed  ailment--but"resting comfortably."Age  89.

Jansen threw an immaculate  inning  last nite--easy to figure out what it is, but I never heard of it before.  Did you? (Nice article about it in Wiki.)


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 21, 2017, 03:51:45 PM
Oh Joe--nothing is said about it--but  TL's  lifetime  record is  0-4,  but for  the  KC  Athletics.  We used  his only  Topps card  55-  in our bike spokes. Over 20 yrsago I saw   near mint of his card  selling for  $1400 or so.  Still  recall  the green  background.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 21, 2017, 07:22:55 PM
Doc, been by, or through, Fullerton many times. Wonder why TL chose to move there, Maybe has children or grandchildren nearby? Still, why not Newport or Coto? He must be wealthy enough, right?

Having seen him pitch in the IL so often, I really am convinced he coulda won if he'd gotten a real shot -- which was NEVER gonna happen in Brooklyn. Or, for a horrible team like KC. For polar opposite reasons.

In today's super-expanded MLB setup, and with the premium on lefthanders, he'd probably have had a lengthy, highly productive/lucrative career nowadays. Born too soon.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 21, 2017, 07:34:37 PM
Not  sure   why Joe.    Long drive--40+  miles  down 5  Fwy.   Not family.   He  is/was  very cheap--prob got a good deal. Many Dodgers initially lived near Glendale--later Calabasas.   Cey, Garvey etc.  He had 2 kids--a daughter  still  alive  w/kid or 2. 

His son died  of  AIDS  15 or so yrs  ago. Press was  protective-non disclosive--said he  died at about age  31  from "dehydration and pneumonia."  Tom would be at Vero  on Wed nites.   We  were  told  very clearly"Don't ask him about his son."

He  always said he   was  demoted  off 55 Bums bec of Koufax.  True.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 22, 2017, 12:01:40 AM
The winter (2 months) I was working in, and commuting to Seattle, it rained constantly - not much in the way of downpour type activity, true, but far more than a drizzle. Soggy, damp, and dark.
Having few very heavy downpours they'd HAVE to have a decent number of real rainy days (much more than drizzle) to get up to 34.8 inches.  I didn't mean to imply that it always drizzles.  They get over 200 rain days per year.  More than 120 are probably real rain.  Just not very heavy very often.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on May 22, 2017, 12:28:47 AM
The winter (2 months) I was working in, and commuting to Seattle, it rained constantly - not much in the way of downpour type activity, true, but far more than a drizzle. Soggy, damp, and dark.
Having few very heavy downpours they'd HAVE to have a decent number of real rainy days (much more than drizzle) to get up to 34.8 inches.  I didn't mean to imply that it always drizzles.  They get over 200 rain days per year.  More than 120 are probably real rain.  Just not very heavy very often.

Yup. Dublin the same thing - did a 3 month stint there in winter 90-91. Never a downpour. Just more or less constant moderate rain. 


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on May 22, 2017, 12:51:33 AM
The winter (2 months) I was working in, and commuting to Seattle, it rained constantly - not much in the way of downpour type activity, true, but far more than a drizzle. Soggy, damp, and dark.
Having few very heavy downpours they'd HAVE to have a decent number of real rainy days (much more than drizzle) to get up to 34.8 inches.  I didn't mean to imply that it always drizzles.  They get over 200 rain days per year.  More than 120 are probably real rain.  Just not very heavy very often.

Yup. Dublin the same thing - did a 3 month stint there in winter 90-91. Never a downpour. Just more or less constant moderate rain. 
The "Emerald isle" isn't green for nothing!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 22, 2017, 07:57:03 AM
Not  sure   why Joe.    Long drive--40+  miles  down 5  Fwy.   Not family.   He  is/was  very cheap--prob got a good deal. Many Dodgers initially lived near Glendale--later Calabasas.   Cey, Garvey etc.  He had 2 kids--a daughter  still  alive  w/kid or 2. 

His son died  of  AIDS  15 or so yrs  ago. Press was  protective-non disclosive--said he  died at about age  31  from "dehydration and pneumonia."  Tom would be at Vero  on Wed nites.   We  were  told  very clearly"Don't ask him about his son."

He  always said he   was  demoted  off 55 Bums bec of Koufax.  True.

I recall when TLs son died. Good for the press (to keep it quiet); noboby's business but family.

Lotta athletes in the West Valley but Coto de Caza (near Mission Viejo??) seems like the new Hidden Hills as trends go. Rod Carew, Bobby Grich, Robb Nenn, Jim Everett, Teemu Selanne, Michael Chang the tennis player, Bode Miller the skier, and a bunch of golfers now live up in those hills. Place didn't exist before the late 60s.




Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 22, 2017, 10:55:09 AM
Correct Joe.   

Gagne quit:  over  12 ERA in 5 games.   Theway he  was  pre-steroid.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 03, 2017, 12:55:09 PM
Big deal now  in Anaheim about  Pujols  at 599  HRs.   

I think ALL Hrs  as DH  should get asterisk.   Ruth  would have had  800  plus  if he  could have been DH.




Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 03, 2017, 01:20:57 PM
Doc, I know how meaningful stats are to baseball but I personally don't get that wrapped up in them. So many variables. Pujols got to DH, he traveled (compared to Ruth) in luxury, had better trainers/workout regimens, etc. Ruth, on the other hand, didn't have to face relief specialists or African American pitchers. Ruth also had to play more day games in the brutal heat/humidity as well as many doubleheaders. 


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on June 03, 2017, 01:22:50 PM
Big deal now  in Anaheim about  Pujols  at 599  HRs.   

I think ALL Hrs  as DH  should get asterisk.   Ruth  would have had  800  plus  if he  could have been DH.

And 1,000 + if he'd started his career as a non-pitcher, and were able to also be a DH in later years.  He was a svelte, excellent athlete for his time when young, and he'd have been an all-star outfielder starting in his 2nd or 3rd year 1916 or 1917.
Imagine if he'd not played his 1st 5 years during "The Dead Ball Era", and he'd also been a position player from the start, and had played with the live ball from the start, and also had the training methods and nutritional help, and equipment we have today.   :)


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 03, 2017, 01:25:23 PM
Joe--no solution  to your  points.   Aside from blacks,  ALL  good athletes  in 20s  played BB. Except for a few  scattered others.  Golf,tennis,  football  etc.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 03, 2017, 01:27:20 PM
Robb--agreed. 

Do Predators  have a chance?  Subann pulled  a Namath  &  guaranteed  a win tonite.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 03, 2017, 01:28:50 PM
Joe-did u see Judges  upper  deck HR  to RIGHT  field  last nite?  What a  Paul  Bunyan.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on June 03, 2017, 01:38:16 PM
Doc, I know how meaningful stats are to baseball but I personally don't get that wrapped up in them. So many variables. Pujols got to DH, he traveled (compared to Ruth) in luxury, had better trainers/workout regimens, etc. Ruth, on the other hand, didn't have to face relief specialists or African American pitchers. Ruth also had to play more day games in the brutal heat/humidity as well as many doubleheaders. 

All we can say is that most of the great players of the past would have been among the great players of today, and vise-versa, as both groups are filled with players that were driven to be the best they could be.  Achievers find out ways to achieve in whatever environment is handed them.

I wanted to be the best hockey player I could be.  I loved playing the game and watching my abilities grow and grow, giving me a great sense of achievement, and helping my teams win, and fitting in with the other players, like brothers in a family.  But, I had only been given average physical abilities.  i worked extremely hard to be the best player I could be.  While playing organised hockey from age 5, I most days each snow/freeze season ( Oct.-April) working on some aspects of my game on the ice, as well as many days on roller skates during the "off season", as well as some on ice rinks (in the higher levels during the later years (13-17).  This was all done DESPITE getting good grades in public school, attendin Hebrew School after school on 3 weekdays, plus some on Sunday, and Synagogue on Saturday morning, PLUS working in my father's store.  All that got me into a position in which I could have had a hockey scholarship to a good university,or gone pro in The new York Rangers' system.  If someone is determined to excel, hard work and deication is more important than natural talent.  An athlete can build much of his/her "talent".


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on June 03, 2017, 01:46:57 PM
Pujols does not have to wear wool uniforms either. Nor does he use a 53 ounce bat (or some such).  GH Ruth's regimen of hot dogs and beer had to have helped  ::)

Notwithstanding, Albert has been one of he greatest hitters of his era, a sure-fire HOFer.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on June 03, 2017, 01:47:06 PM
Robb--agreed. 

Do Predators  have a chance?  Subann pulled  a Namath  &  guaranteed  a win tonite.
In any one game, anything can happen.  They certainly DO have a chance to win tonight.  The luck on the bounce of the puck, or the way the refs call a game can decide the game.  But, for the overall series, I'd bet my farm (if i had one) on The Pens.  They are just too strong, and too experienced at playing together, in high-level, high-pressure playoff series, while The Preds are just there for the first time.  Also, The Pens having both Crosby and Malkin as 2 super centres directing the play of essentially 2 Number 1 Lines, makes them extremely difficult to defend against.  Rinne would have to "stand on his head for an entire series, exactly when The Pens would be in a scoring funk, and/or have a very unusual defensive breakdown for The Preds to win a 7-game series from them.  During recent years when The Pens didn't go all the way, injuries plagued them at the wrong times.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 03, 2017, 03:33:32 PM
Robb, as usual, you make a lot of sense!

Mike, forgot about those wool uniforms. And, how many games did the Babe play while, at a minimum, badly hung over and on no sleep.

Maybe most amazing performance? Dock Ellis throwing a no-hitter while on LSD? Since I've never taken LSD, don't know hoe impressive that feat was.  Other nominees for amazing performances?

Doc, That Judge kid is STRONG!!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 04, 2017, 12:34:20 AM
Skeptical  me--I  don't believe Ellis.   Either was  weak  LSD, or as was  the case then--amphetamine which would have  helped.

Joe--Yanks hit  4HRs in  an inning today.   Kay  listed the  other times--I think 3 or 4. started  in 70s--Cliff Johnson,Munson and 2 more .  2 or 3 more times since.   Surprising  not  w/Ruth, Gehrig,   Joe D.,or Mantle,  Maris, Berra etc.

Like I said Bob Horner says it all.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 07, 2017, 07:25:36 AM
Here's a real tough question:

Of all the 4 homer games in baseball history, three of them in the NL featured CONSECUTIVE homers. The first was by a player in 1894 so let's skip that.

Scooter Gennett did it yesterday. Who was the other player to hit 4 consecutive homers in a game? Did it in the 1970s.

In the AL, there have been four guys who homered four times in succession. Lou Gehrig did it in 1932. Who were the other three? One for the Indians in 1959, one for the Mariners in 2002, and one for the Blue Jays in 2003.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on June 07, 2017, 11:58:41 AM
Rocky Colavito - '59 Tribe - if memory serves


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 07, 2017, 12:55:48 PM
Nate  Colbert. (I did not cheat)

Amazing with all the Red sluggers  . I had just posted  about Horner--Gennett  is even a better  reference

BTW, did Joe  D or Mantle(or Maris) even have 3 HRs  in a game?.  Know Babe did.




Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 07, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
Mike, bingo on Colavito!

So, still need the Mariner and Blue Jay.  Mariner an OF not known for HRs; played for many teams. 

Blue Jay was a big power guy. Not an OF.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 07, 2017, 03:31:25 PM
Gorman Thomas.

Thome?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 07, 2017, 03:52:53 PM
Mike Cameron and Carlos Delgado


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 07, 2017, 05:29:57 PM
Mike Cameron--the darkest complected  MLB  I ever saw.   Great fielder.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 07, 2017, 05:44:17 PM
Mike Cameron--the darkest complected  MLB  I ever saw.   Great fielder.

Cameron was more of a HR hitter than I remembered. Averaged about 18 jacks a year. Not bad for a CF known for defense..


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 07, 2017, 11:09:53 PM
Cameron was  great fielder.

Ended w/ Padres?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 11, 2017, 09:13:51 PM
Cameron had to have played with half the teams in MLB. Best years were as a Mariner.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 11, 2017, 10:16:20 PM
Re:  my above  comment about Cameron.  His twitter handle  is"dark  man."

Judge--hardest hit  ball of year yesterday.  Today almost  550  ft or so. Amazing.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 12, 2017, 06:23:52 AM
Orioles outscored 30-6 over last two games, with their two best starters on the mound. This Yankee juggernaut looks -- at least for now -- comparable to some of the past great dynasty teams.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 18, 2017, 01:22:21 AM
Judge--hardest hit  HR,  double,   single,  and in triple  speed  is  second .--  New BB stat.   He leads AL in ave,HR,  runs, & is  second by one RBI  to  Nelson Cruz.   He is a freak.

Makes  FHoward look small.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on June 18, 2017, 08:28:55 AM
Not only big physically but strong. I've seen Judge and saw Howard totally fooled on slow curves and fliick -  with one hand/arm -  a one-hop single to the base of the outfield wall.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on June 26, 2017, 12:14:35 PM
Baseball  is TOO  stat/trivia oriented.   Just saw that  Ichiro   was the oldest starting center  fielder  in baseball  history   at 43  yesterday.   Broke Henderson by a few months--   and some unknown guy from "about 1900 '"   according to the LA Times. 

PS--I really  believe the  ball is now "juiced"  -- using HR derby balls  in all games.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on July 01, 2017, 04:17:20 PM
Heard Buck Showalter today discussing proliferation of HRs this season. His thought was to make players, as was once the case, only use bats made of ash. Apparently, he thinks use of maple and other woods are a contributing factor. He pointed out not only the number of HRs but how far they are being hit, and by whom.

He also recalled Mike Flanagan once throwing 154 pitches in a complete game win, with no ill effect. I remember David Cone often throwing 120 or so regularly. Today's aces are out after 90-105, unless on a no hitter.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on July 01, 2017, 05:54:47 PM
Joe--believe  PEDs  are sneaking  back in.  Great example  LA 3b  Turner--how does he hit  .400 BA  best ever  at 31-32?  And  with power.

The players are told wen tests are coming.  Just like hockey--the only 2 NHL  players i knew  Van Den Busch and Burt  both told  me.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 22, 2017, 11:12:31 AM
Who hit the only inside-the-park, grand slam, walk-off HR in MLB history? Happened in the 1950s.

If you wanna take the question further, against what team?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 22, 2017, 12:29:22 PM
Who hit the only inside-the-park, grand slam, walk-off HR in MLB history? Happened in the 1950s.
If you wanna take the question further, against what team?
That was a terrible day for me, in summer of 1956.  It was Roberto Clemente of The Pirates, against MY Cubs.  We were visiting my uncle and aunt in Chicago, as we did every summer.  I was listening to the game on radio.  We were ahead 8 to 5 in the last of The 9th.  Just one of my many disappointments with that team between 1951 and 1969.   >:(


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 22, 2017, 02:39:00 PM
Not called walk off then.  Eckersley claims credit for  it  in late 80s  before Gibson's HR.

Clemente made that crazy throw from  foul  line  right to third base in Wrigley.  Best throw ever.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 22, 2017, 02:50:23 PM
Takes a 3 run deficit, playing at home. Then the batter having the ability to hit the inside the park homer. Can see why it hasn't been done again in 61 years.

Interesting cultural fact about Clemente and Pittsburgh. Once heard Roberto talking about his first five years or so with the Pirates, and how not one of his teammates called him Roberto, even though he told them regularly that was his name. Apparently, they were not comfortable with the foreign-sounding "Roberto." In his last season, Bob Prince was STILL calling him Bobby Clemente on his broadcasts..


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 22, 2017, 02:53:21 PM
Here's some interesting reading on that Cubs-Pirates game:

"On July 25th, 1956, Roberto Clemente did a terrible, wonderful thing.

In his sophomore year with the Pittsburgh Pirates, Clemente came to bat with the bases loaded, nobody out, and his team trailing the Chicago Cubs 8-5 in the bottom of the ninth at Forbes Field. He faced pitcher Jim Brosnan.

Brosnan made one pitch, high and inside. Clemente drove it against the light standard in left field. Jim King had backed up to make the catch but it was over his head. The ball bounced off the slanted side of the fencing and rolled along the cinder path to center field. Here came Hank Foiles, Bill Virdon and then Dick Cole, heading home and making it easily. Then came Clemente into third. Bobby Bragan had his hands up-stretched to hold up his outfielder. The relay was coming in from Solly Drake. But around third came Clemente and down the home path. He made it just in front of the relay from Ernie Banks. He slid, missed the plate, then reached back to rest his hand on the rubber with the ninth run in a 9-8 victory as the crowd of 12,431 went goofy with excitement.

Clemente both heard and saw Bragan’s stop sign, but deliberately ran through it.  As Brosnan wrote in Life magazine, Clemente’s feat “excited the fans, startled the manager, shocked me and disgusted my club.”

Although Clemente had committed a fundamental error—trying to score a run on a potentially close play with no one out—Bragan handled the mistake appropriately. Given Clemente’s hustle on the play and its ultimate success, Bragan excused the mistake. The manager added that there would be no $25 fine, usually a standard punishment for a player who had missed a sign.

Clemente’s overzealous romp against the Cubs typified the recklessness of his early base-running.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 22, 2017, 07:35:25 PM
Goofy with excitement. They sure could write back then. Sounds like a great game.  In '59 Solly Drake crashed into the Ivy chasing a fly ball at Wrigley. The ball came out, but alas poor Solly did not. Had to have a stretcher come for him. A few years later, his kid brother Sammy patrolled the outfield for my NY Mets. 


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 22, 2017, 08:01:34 PM
That "goofy" reference was from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette account of the game. 12,431-- that was a pretty good crowd back then. Not just for Pittsburgh either. We tend to romanticize those olden days but ... the attendance figures, with some notable exceptions, were pretty poor compared to today.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 22, 2017, 10:00:36 PM
That "goofy" reference was from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette account of the game. 12,431-- that was a pretty good crowd back then. Not just for Pittsburgh either. We tend to romanticize those olden days but ... the attendance figures, with some notable exceptions, were pretty poor compared to today.

No wonder the crowd went "goofy".  The Pirates had been in the basement since 1950, and they still finished there in 1955.  1956 is when they started to climb out, because of Clemente, Bill Virdon, and the pitching started to get better.  They had been one of the worst Major Leagur Baseball teams in history for the past 6 seasons.  Both The Dodgers and The Giants had seen Clemente and decided not to sign him.  Lucky they left some "crumbs" for pittsburgh.  Too bad he died in that plane crash.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on December 22, 2017, 10:59:19 PM
Wasn't Clemente in the Dodgers minor league system and the Pirates drafted him.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 23, 2017, 12:30:54 AM
Wasn't Clemente in the Dodgers minor league system and the Pirates drafted him.
Yes, you are right.  I had forgotten that.  That was a bonus of the new minor league draft system, put in to help the poorer teams, and also allow derving players to not be prevented from getting to The Majors from being buried in a deep system like that of The Yankees, Dodgers and Cardinals..  The Pirates had 1st choice when they drafted Clemente in 1954.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 23, 2017, 09:35:57 AM
And, Branch Rickey had just come over from the Dodgers as the Pirates GM. So he knew all about Clemente's potential.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 23, 2017, 12:19:04 PM
And, Branch Rickey had just come over from the Dodgers as the Pirates GM. So he knew all about Clemente's potential.

Now it all makes sense.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 23, 2017, 12:23:23 PM
Quite  a few  of his  early  cards  called him Bob


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 23, 2017, 12:52:27 PM
Quite  a few  of his  early  cards  called him Bob
That's what the announcers and everyone called him.  It was only after he became a superstar,and he Pirates became a perennial great team, that people started actually listening to him insist that they call him "Roberto".  Amricans have that British stubbornness that makes them think of everything in THEIR OWN terms, and comfort zone, that makes them ignore that the rest of The World exists, makes them not see any reason to learn other people's languages, and make them believe that they can't possibly pronounce foreign words, EVEN when EVERY sound in the foreign word exists in their OWN language!  How hard can it be for an American to pronounce "Row-Bear-Tow???  It's just easier to think of him as a friendly Human if we call him "Bob" - then he's an "American".  It's hard enough to consider him not a danger, because he has dark skin.  Dark skin AND a foreign name - too much to face!  ::)


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 23, 2017, 12:54:27 PM
And, Branch Rickey had just come over from the Dodgers as the Pirates GM. So he knew all about Clemente's potential.

Now it all makes sense.

From an ESPN article:

(For whatever reason) Clemente was the only bonus player immediately sent to the minors and thus left unprotected. (One line of thought was that Dodgers felt they had too many black players on the team already.) The Pirates, with the worst record in the National League, had the first pick (of unprotected players). They were run by former Dodgers general manager Branch Rickey, and scouts Howie Haak and Clyde Sukeforth -- brought to Pittsburgh from Brooklyn by Rickey -- had seen Clemente during the International League season.

Branch Rickey Jr. represented the Pirates at the draft and selected Clemente. The price: $4,000.

And that's how the Pirates stole Roberto Clemente from the Dodgers.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 23, 2017, 01:05:47 PM
Quite  a few  of his  early  cards  called him Bob
That's what the announcers and everyone called him.  It was only after he became a superstar,and he Pirates became a perennial great team, that people started actually listening to him insist that they call him "Roberto".  Amricans have that British stubbornness that makes them think of everything in THEIR OWN terms, and comfort zone, that makes them ignore that the rest of The World exists, makes them not see any reason to learn other people's languages, and make them believe that they can't possibly pronounce foreign words, EVEN when EVERY sound in the foreign word exists in their OWN language!  How hard can it be for an American to pronounce "Row-Bear-Tow???  It's just easier to think of him as a friendly Human if we call him "Bob" - then he's an "American".  It's hard enough to consider him not a danger, because he has dark skin.  Dark skin AND a foreign name - too much to face!  ::)

Used to drive me crazy when I lived in the UK how the Brits anglicized all "foreign words."  Worse than Americans.

Here's an interesting thought on this from Mark Van Doren, exalted Columbia University English Professor (and father of game show cheater Charles Van Doren). In his teaching, he'd always pronounce Don Quixote as "Don Quicks-ott". Instead of the Spanish "Kee-ho-tay."  When asked why, he said he wished to call the capital of France, Paris, not Paree. He insisted on being consistent; shouldn't pick and chooses among pronunciations..


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 23, 2017, 01:14:16 PM
Used to drive me crazy when I lived in the UK how the Brits anglicized all "foreign words."  Worse than Americans.
Here's an interesting thought on this from Mark Van Doren, exalted Columbia University English Professor (and father of game show cheater Charles Van Doren). In his teaching, he'd always pronounce Don Quixote as "Don Quicks-ott". Instead of the Spanish "Kee-ho-tay."  When asked why, he said he wished to call the capital of France, Paris, not Paree. He insisted on being consistent; shouldn't pick and chooses among pronunciations..

Then was a hypocrite!  He should have pronounced Don Quixote as "Dahn Kwix-Oat" (rather than Kwix-Ott) , as the silent "e" at the end of a word makes the preceding vowel a long vowel.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 23, 2017, 02:09:18 PM
I think  the English way  is better than the  silly  American way.  All the  attempts at foreign pronunciation  are wrong anyway.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 23, 2017, 02:51:08 PM
That "goofy" reference was from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette account of the game. 12,431-- that was a pretty good crowd back then. Not just for Pittsburgh either. We tend to romanticize those olden days but ... the attendance figures, with some notable exceptions, were pretty poor compared to today.

In the 50's and 60's, the mark of a successful baseball franchise in terms of attendance was drawing >1 million fans per year. On a per game basis, across 154 or 162 games, that's  all of 12-13 K fans, a paltry number vis-a-vis 2017 expectations..


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 23, 2017, 02:53:32 PM
And, Branch Rickey had just come over from the Dodgers as the Pirates GM. So he knew all about Clemente's potential.

Now it all makes sense.

From an ESPN article:

(For whatever reason) Clemente was the only bonus player immediately sent to the minors and thus left unprotected. (One line of thought was that Dodgers felt they had too many black players on the team already.) The Pirates, with the worst record in the National League, had the first pick (of unprotected players). They were run by former Dodgers general manager Branch Rickey, and scouts Howie Haak and Clyde Sukeforth -- brought to Pittsburgh from Brooklyn by Rickey -- had seen Clemente during the International League season.

Branch Rickey Jr. represented the Pirates at the draft and selected Clemente. The price: $4,000.

And that's how the Pirates stole Roberto Clemente from the Dodgers.

Famously in salary negotiations with Ralph Kiner, then perennial HR king, Branch Rickey turned down Kiner's demand for an increase by saying "we finished last with you and we can finish last without you". Loved that one.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 23, 2017, 02:54:40 PM
Pedro Ramos was Pete for a long time before finally being called (usually) Pedro. I'm sure there are many other examples as well.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 23, 2017, 03:33:08 PM
I'll  think of many--Bobby Avila  comes to  mind first.

Then Minnie. 


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 23, 2017, 03:57:56 PM
We used a lot of nicknames for Hispanic players -- like Alfonso "Chico" Carrasquel, Orestes "Minnie" Minoso, Sandalio "Sandy" Consuegra (one of my fave pitchers btw), Edmundo "Sandy" Amoros, Humberto "Chico" Fernandez, Ramon "Ray" Monzant, etc. Actually, it's amazing how few ballplayers born outside the US, were playing in the mid-50s. Less than 20 all told I think.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on December 23, 2017, 04:37:40 PM
Speaking of foreign born players - does anyone remember Cincinnati management feeling they needed an interpreter to communicate with Vada Pinson?  They couldn't get it through their thick heads that Mr. Pinson was born and raised in Oakland, CA, NOT in the Dominican.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 23, 2017, 05:28:49 PM
Branch Rickey Jr. represented the Pirates at the draft and selected Clemente. The price: $4,000.

And that's how the Pirates stole Roberto Clemente from the Dodgers.

Famously in salary negotiations with Ralph Kiner, then perennial HR king, Branch Rickey turned down Kiner's demand for an increase by saying "we finished last with you and we can finish last without you". Loved that one.
And Rickey promptly traded Kiner to Cleveland.   :D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 24, 2017, 01:45:04 AM
Wen Kiner quit, I presume.

Rickey  Henderson grew up in Oakland  -I still  cant understand him ;D

Certainly  Vada is not an American  name for  males is it?   Yet,he spoke excellent  English--I recall a  couple  interviews.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 24, 2017, 09:13:10 AM
Yeah, that one high school in Oakland (McClymonds) produced Pinson, Frank Robinson, Bill Russell, Paul Silas, Curt Flood, Curt Roberts (anyone recall him?), Ernie Lombardi (old time Reds HoF catcher), Lee Lacy, Willie Tasby and rap music's MC Hammer.

All GMs were tight-fisted back then (and why not, they held all the cards), but Branch Rickey was one of the stingiest (along with George Weiss).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 24, 2017, 09:39:18 AM
I'll  think of many--Bobby Avila  comes to  mind first.

Then Minnie. 

What a season Avila had in winning the batting title in '54 over Williams and Minoso. A .280 lifetime hitter, but .341 that year. As for name pronunciation, poor Bobby got it both ways -- in the Bobby for Roberto and everyone called him ah-VEEL-ah when, of course, it was AH-veel-ah.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 24, 2017, 01:10:39 PM
Curt  Roberts--believe  2nd B.  Orioles?  Padres?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 24, 2017, 01:16:55 PM
Curt  Roberts--believe  2nd B.  Orioles?  Padres?

I'm remembering utility guy with the Pirates in the mid-50s. Could easily be wrong.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 24, 2017, 01:51:08 PM
I'll  think of many--Bobby Avila  comes to  mind first.
Then Minnie. 


What a season Avila had in winning the batting title in '54 over Williams and Minoso. A .280 lifetime hitter, but .341 that year. As for name pronunciation, poor Bobby got it both ways -- in the Bobby for Roberto and everyone called him ah-VEEL-ah when, of course, it was AH-veel-ah.
Yes, the English ear and tongue is just not capable of pronouncing Orestes.
And what is wrong with English logic?n Why do all British and American speakers insist that all peoples='s names must have the accent on the 2nd syllable?  Germanic and Finno-Ugric names almost invariably place the accent ojn the 1st syllable.  There are Hundreds of Finns and Scandinavians playing hockey in North America, who continuously tell Canadians and Americans how to pronounce their names correctly, accenting the 1st syllable, only to hear them continue to pronounce it wrongly.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 24, 2017, 08:22:22 PM
Speaking of surnames, is Backstrom in Swedish like Smith in English? Seem to be a lot of them. In hockey and elsewhere.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 24, 2017, 09:16:12 PM
Speaking of surnames, is Backstrom in Swedish like Smith in English? Seem to be a lot of them. In hockey and elsewhere.
No.  Backstr?m is a reasonably common name, but not anywhere near as common as the "son of" names, such as Karlsson, Johansson, Eriksson, Svensson, Nilsson, Jakobsson, Persson(Pedersson), Olesson, Larsson, etc.  People in Scandinavia had no last names until after The Napoleonic Wars, starting in 1815.  It didn't become mandatory until the middle of the 1800s. Before then, people were addressed by 1st name and son of father's name.  In the mid 1800s, most of the Western European governments initiated laws to require all families to take a family name.  In Scandinavia, they just "froze" the current "Son name" currently being used by families.  In Hungary, the government assigned names to families. My great grandparents were assigned "Klein" (meaning "Little").  A few years later, they moved tothe Dutch part of Belgium, and later, to The Netherlands.  Luckily, "Klein" was a good Dutch name, as well.  Backstr?m means "stream behind".  Other "stream names, like Lindstr?m ("winding stream"), or Bergstr?m ("mountain or hill stream") or Dahlstr?m, are much more common.  Because most Swedes were farmers, names of landforms and the plantlife on them are next most common surnames after "son of" names.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 24, 2017, 09:19:06 PM
Know u'll  like this.  The  big fire  in Cal  is called the  Thomas fire  B/C--it  started  right  near a small  Cath college-behind Magic Mountain--Thomas Aquinas  college.

None  of the TV  or  firemen   idiots could pronounce  Aquinas  so  "Thomas " it was.  i heard  "Akeenas,"  Aqua-noss etcetc.  

Don't all half brite folks know its--"Ah--kwi-ness?"   Dont have to be Catholic.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 24, 2017, 09:39:25 PM
Know u'll  like this.  The  big fire  in Cal  is called the  Thomas fire  B/C--it  started  right  near a small  Cath college-behind Magic Mountain--Thomas Aquinas  college.

None  of the TV  or  firemen   idiots could pronounce  Aquinas  so  "Thomas " it was.  i heard  "Akeenas,"  Aqua-noss etcetc.  

Don't all half brite folks know its--"Ah--kwi-ness?"   Dont have to be Catholic.

I'm Jewish, and I knew how to pronounce it correctly.  There must be a Saint Thomas Aquinas high school or college in every big city in every country that has a reasonable amount of Catholics.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 24, 2017, 10:59:23 PM
That Scandanavian names post was very interesting Robb. Is it Iceland that uses the "son" and "dottir" ending to names? The male children get the father's first name + son, and the girl children get the father's first name + dottir tacked on? Is Iceland the only country that does that?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 24, 2017, 11:18:27 PM
That Scandanavian names post was very interesting Robb. Is it Iceland that uses the "son" and "dottir" ending to names? The male children get the father's first name + son, and the girl children get the father's first name + dottir tacked on? Is Iceland the only country that does that?
Yes.  I've never heard of any Scandinavian family having "dottir" in it(only Icelanders), and I've worked in Denmark, Norway and Sweden for the past 30 years.  I'm not sure if The Faroe Islanders and Shetland Islanders follow The Icelandic or Scandinavian system.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 25, 2017, 02:55:47 AM
Actually, as was the case for males in Sweden ("son" or "sson" used as the suffix to the father's first name for a male) or Denmark ("sen" or "ssen") or Norway (sometimes used "son" or "sson" and sometimes "sen" or "ssen"), dotter or dottir was commonly used as the suffix to the father's first name for females in Scandinavia until the mid to late 19th century. For example, my wife's grandfather's grandfather's wife was named Ulrika Lovisa Johannesdotter born in 1843 and died in 1928 in Sweden. Hundreds of my wife's known female ancestors were named in this fashion.

Jews were required to take surnames at various times: "Austrian Empire including (most of) Galicia and (all of) Bukovina (1787/1788), Silesia 1791, Russian Pale (12-9-1804, not enforced until 1835/1845), Russian Poland (1821/1822), West Galicia (1805 subsequent to its 1795 incorporation into Austria), France (7-20-1808), various German states: Frankfurt (1807), Baden (1809), Westphalia (1812), Prussia (1812), Bavaria (1813), Wuerttemberg (1828), Posen (1833), Saxony (1834)".  Up to this time, the vast majority of Jews living in Europe effectively used a naming system similar to that of Scandinavia - e.g. first name, son (or daughter) of father's first name.

Exceptions in both Scandinavia and among the Jewish people were those who were part of wealthy, rabbinic, or otherwise noteworthy families, who would carry what we think of today as more traditional family surnames. 

Iceland, as mentioned above, still uses the old Scandinavian naming convention (with some exceptions). In addition, first names are strictly regulated as well, and must be chosen from a relatively small list of approved names. Exceptions are permitted, but require a formal application and approval from the designated government authority (app. 50% approval per one source). In some cases, instead of using the father's name as the base of the child's surname, the mother's name is used. 


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 25, 2017, 03:49:57 AM
Actually, as was the case for males in Sweden ("son" or "sson" used as the suffix to the father's first name for a male) or Denmark ("sen" or "ssen") or Norway (sometimes used "son" or "sson" and sometimes "sen" or "ssen"), dotter or dottir was commonly used as the suffix to the father's first name for females in Scandinavia until the mid to late 19th century.

Jews were required to take surnames at various times: "Austrian Empire including (most of) Galicia and (all of) Bukovina (1787/1788), Silesia 1791, Russian Pale (12-9-1804, not enforced until 1835/1845), Russian Poland (1821/1822), West Galicia (1805 subsequent to its 1795 incorporation into Austria), France (7-20-1808), various German states: Frankfurt (1807), Baden (1809), Westphalia (1812), Prussia (1812), Bavaria (1813), Wuerttemberg (1828), Posen (1833), Saxony (1834)".  Up to this time, the vast majority of Jews living in Europe effectively used a naming system similar to that of Scandinavia - e.g. first name, son (or daughter) of father's first name.
My grandfather told me that his grandfather's family (who lived in Ruthenia-east of The Carpathian Mountains near Transylvania) got assigned their family name in 1857 by agents of The Hungarian government, from a list of Yiddish names that had been submitted by the head of The Hungarian Rabbinical Council. ArchDuke Franz Jozeph approved that The Jews got Yiddish names, because they were also German names, and German was 1 of the 2 official languages of Austria-Hungary. Luckily, Klein was also a Dutch name, which worked well when they moved to Flanders and Holland.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 25, 2017, 01:42:35 PM
Robb,

Your ancestors were pretty fortunate with Klein, easy to pronounce, spell, not necessarily all that ethnic, etc.

According to my research:

"Surnames selected were generally derived by: 1. Adding a suffix to a paternal (or in some cases maternal) given name commonly used by a family or used by an esteemed family member (e.g. Mendelson, Abramowitz) 2. From a place name denoting the family origins or current residence at time of name adoption (e.g. Prager from Prague) 3. From the profession of a family member (e.g. Fleisher = butcher, Schneider = tailor, Holzman = timber dealer. 4. From the personal traits of the family member being named (e.g. Grossman = large man, Klein = small man) 5. From animal names (e.g. Berman from bear; Fuchs from fox). 6. From desirable items (e.g. Goldberg = gold mountain, Bloom = flower). 7. From other Hebrew or Yiddish-derived names (e.g. Cohen, Levy, Solomon). "     

Sometimes names thought  to be desirable could be had for a price. On the other hand, certain families who were disfavored by the naming authorities for one reason or another were sometimes assigned names with negative connotations.

Back in Scandinavia, my wife's mom's maiden name is Gunnarsson, but as of yet we've been unable to find Gunnar!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 25, 2017, 02:07:10 PM
"Surnames selected were generally derived by: 1. Adding a suffix to a paternal (or in some cases maternal) given name used by a family or used by an esteemed family member (e.g. Mendelson, Abramowitz) 2. From a place name denoting the family origins or current residence at time of name adoption (e.g. Prager) 3. From the profession of a family member (e.g. Fleisher, Schneider, Holzman 4. From personal traits of the family member being named (e.g. Grossman, Klein) 5. From animal names (e.g. Berman; Fuchs). 6. From desirable items (e.g. Goldberg, Bloom). 7. From other Hebrew or Yiddish-derived names (e.g. Cohen, Levy, Solomon). "

My grandfather said that his grandfather told him that The Hungarian government agent went from house to house handing a paper to each family with their assigned family name.  In their town, the names were given randomly, one was Klein, the next Gross, next Schwartz, next Weiss, next Stein.  The nicer names, like Blumenfeld, Goldberg, Rosenblum, etc. had to be bought at the Amt (town hall).  Awful and degrading names were assigned to troublemakers and rich Jews, so that local administrators could extort large amounts of money from them, to buy a nice-sounding name.  In Scandinavia, the population was homogeneous in origin and culture, and the naming system had been the same for all, and their church birth records were complete.  So, they could all get names connected to their past. I have a Dutch friend whose family name means literally "filth house".  Perhaps her patriarchal ancestor at the time of the family name installation, was a horse stall sweeper? It seems that her family didn't have the money to buy a better name.  Interesting that they were Catholics, not Jews nor Gypsies.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 25, 2017, 02:12:41 PM
Correct Robb. Dont need  to be Catholic.  Aquinas  was quite  influential centuries  ago.   NO--LA  does not have a Thomas  Aquinas  HS--just a nearby small college. 

All  those Christian  Oakies! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 25, 2017, 02:25:12 PM
Correct Robb. Dont need  to be Catholic.  Aquinas  was quite  influential centuries  ago.   NO--LA  does not have a Thomas  Aquinas  HS--just a nearby small college. 
All  those Christian  Oakies! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

I couldn't believe one didn't exist in a place as big as The L.A. Area, and I was right.  There's a St. Thomas Aquinas High School in Monterey Park, on Atlantic Blvd.  That's pretty darn close to L.A. City.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 26, 2017, 12:13:13 PM

My grandfather said that his grandfather told him that The Hungarian government agent went from house to house handing a paper to each family with their assigned family name.  In their town, the names were given randomly, one was Klein, the next Gross, next Schwartz, next Weiss, next Stein.  The nicer names, like Blumenfeld, Goldberg, Rosenblum, etc. had to be bought at the Amt (town hall).  Awful and degrading names were assigned to troublemakers and rich Jews, so that local administrators could extort large amounts of money from them, to buy a nice-sounding name.  In Scandinavia, the population was homogeneous in origin and culture, and the naming system had been the same for all, and their church birth records were complete.  So, they could all get names connected to their past. I have a Dutch friend whose family name means literally "filth house".  Perhaps her patriarchal ancestor at the time of the family name installation, was a horse stall sweeper? It seems that her family didn't have the money to buy a better name.  Interesting that they were Catholics, not Jews nor Gypsies.
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Robb,

Fascinating "first-hand" account. In my case, both grandfathers' names appear to have stemmed from the "professions" of their ancestors - neither particularly nice names nor particularly not-nice names. As for Sweden, in most cases church records with family member names, ages, occupations, etc., date back to the 17th century and are still intact. In fact, many/most have even been digitized. My wife's family has some strains that fit the standard Scandinavian naming conventions; other strains, from the aristocracy, however, carried/carry family names dating back many, many centuries.  


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 26, 2017, 02:24:17 PM
Good work Robb.  Its  a  mile from LA.  But  must be small-never heard of it  --most  athletic  teams are  from  parochial  schools-- not  this one.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 26, 2017, 02:35:59 PM
Robb-from website--K-8 grade.  So NOT  a HS. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on December 26, 2017, 03:15:34 PM
Robb-from website--K-8 grade.  So NOT  a HS. ;D ;D ;D

Well, we had one on The South Side of Chicago (72nd and Clyde), and there IS one in San Bernardino.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 26, 2017, 07:27:23 PM
Agree completely Robb-  a person should  eable to  pronounce it ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 31, 2017, 03:45:37 PM
Happy Felton  I prob watched this live  on WOR.

Great with  Jackie  &  Pee  Wee  Reese. Love  those  Italian  kids   & their  Bklyn accents. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

https://youtu.be/KsQuqhWhm8o


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on December 31, 2017, 08:28:32 PM
Doc, maany thanks. Enjoyed that Happy Felton clip. He created and hosted that show. Ran for many years. Happy used to be in vaudeville (born in 1907). That was his background.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on December 31, 2017, 11:49:30 PM
This MAY  be the  only preserved complete  Felton show--prob bec of  Jackie & Pee Wee.  Great!!

I have to  think that because of social  media,  &  cable &  satellite  TV,  that most  12  yr olds in Bklyn  have a more  "nationalized" accent in 2017.   Very cute,tho'.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 01, 2018, 09:03:57 AM
I really loved that innocence in baseball growing up. A couple local kids actually rubbing shoulders with stars like Robinson and Reese.

If you're making $15 million (or whatever Million a year), I can see how it would be laughable to participate in something like the Knothole Gang. It's just a different planet!

I mean Reese and Snider lived in Bay Ridge, in a "regular" house, not in a compound of millionaire's in some exclusive location. All but the very top stars sold suits or cars in the off-season.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on January 01, 2018, 12:02:42 PM
I really loved that innocence in baseball growing up. A couple local kids actually rubbing shoulders with stars like Robinson and Reese.

If you're making $15 million (or whatever Million a year), I can see how it would be laughable to participate in something like the Knothole Gang. It's just a different planet!

I mean Reese and Snider lived in Bay Ridge, in a "regular" house, not in a compound of millionaire's in some exclusive location. All but the very top stars sold suits or cars in the off-season.
All the hockey players sold encyclopedias, or pots and pans or vacuum cleaners door-to-door, or went home to work on their parents' farms in the off season.

It seems to me that kids from the East Coast,New England, different parts of The South, and Midwest STILL have heavy regional accents (not quite as pronounced as back in the '40s and '50s, but still very recognisable.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on January 01, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
Gil Hodges lived in a nice but modest home in Brooklyn. Roy Face as a house painter in the off-season.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 01, 2018, 01:09:51 PM
Mike, Think Furillo worked in some area of construction. An 8th grade dropout, he always had an inferiority complex about his lack of education. Part of the reason he had a rep as a standoffish guy who wasn't the most congenial guy in the clubhouse. Wonder if he was on with Felton? Don't recall.

Robb, Encyclopedia salesmen?? Door to door? Wow. So, if I lived in Chicago in the late 50s, maybe I coulda practiced my French if Pierre Pilote came calling?

Seriously, have there been French-speaking Quebec natives in the NHL who never learned English? I've read where if you did not know French, and played in, or coached, Montreal you better be a quick study to at least learn to passably speak the language. Read American Max Pacioretty was actually enrolled in French classes (not sure that was all his idea but, as Captain, apparently a necessity). Wonder how any Scandinavians or Eastern European players have language "problems." Actually, I read where getting a US drivers' license was Job #1 for foreign players on US teams.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 01, 2018, 03:07:51 PM
Joe-he was on with Felton. But mostly  jackie,reese,  snider & campy. Jack said the players talked  about it.  Erskine told  me the players liked it & got as I recall $50.

Abrams was  mailman  in Levittown.

Says a lot that Compton's Duke  did   not want to move to LA--even before  he  saw  RF  wall.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on January 01, 2018, 04:22:15 PM
Robb, Encyclopedia salesmen?? Door to door? Wow. So, if I lived in Chicago in the late 50s, maybe I coulda practiced my French if Pierre Pilote came calling?
Seriously, have there been French-speaking Quebec natives in the NHL who never learned English? I've read where if you did not know French, and played in, or coached, Montreal you better be a quick study to at least learn to passably speak the language. Read American Max Pacioretty was actually enrolled in French classes (not sure that was all his idea but, as Captain, apparently a necessity). Wonder how any Scandinavians or Eastern European players have language "problems." Actually, I read where getting a US drivers' license was Job #1 for foreign players on US teams.
There were lots of French speaking players on The Canadiens or who played in Quebec City or Ottawa, who never learned much English.  But, those who went to play in Toronto or in US cities generally had to learn some English.  Phil Goyette, Camille Henry, Rod Gilbert, Jean-Guy Talbot, Pierre Pilote, Noel Picard, Jacques Plante, and most of those who played in English speaking cities learned English fairly well, even though they still had very thick French accents.  Scandinavian players have never had a problem.  English is learned there from an early age.  They are always fluent already when coming to North America, even to play at the junior level.  Everyone under 80 years of age in Scandinavia speaks fluent English (and their grammar and spelling is, on the whole, better than the average American, from what I have seen).  Eastern Europeans DO have to take English courses when playing in USA and Canada (as one would have to do working in any foreign country).  When I worked in the Arab countries, I was always enrolled in Arabic language classes.  When I started living in Germany I took the German Immigrant language classes.
Off season encyclopedia salesmen and door to door sales jobs usually were taken in the players' home towns in Canada, rather than their "adopted" US city.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 01, 2018, 05:25:50 PM
Thanks Robb. I do recall Rocket Richard still struggling with English MANY years into his long career (early to mid-50s). And he was from urban Montreal. The Francophones from the outlying areas   ...


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 01, 2018, 11:46:43 PM
Robb--agree  but  local  extreme accents like  Brooklyn  in 50s-60s   are long gone.

Wat surprised  me  & it still  exists--is that  Mex-Americans-born here--in ELA  often speak/spoke  English with a  distinct  accent.  Possibly because of being bi-lingual--but just because it was the  neighborhood --I wonder if that  exists in any other big  US cities.



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on January 02, 2018, 12:23:38 AM
Robb--agree  but  local  extreme accents like  Brooklyn  in 50s-60s   are long gone.
What surprised  me  & it still  exists--is that  Mex-Americans-born here--in ELA  often speak/spoke  English with a  distinct  accent.  Possibly because of being bi-lingual--but just because it was the  neighborhood --I wonder if that  exists in any other big  US cities.
I know that the heavy Brooklyn accents are now toned down somewhat, but I'd bet if I listened to current children from Brooklyn, Long Gisland, or Queens, I could tell they are from those places.  The kids from Chicago still sound like we did, and that can't be mistaken even for Peoria or Milwaukee.  The Latinos of Boyle Heights/East L.A. used to have their own accent.  But now almost all L.A. is populated by Latinos, with a lot coming from many different parts of Mexico, with totally different accents, plus lots from Nicaragua, El Salvador, Peru, Colombia, Chile, Guatemala, all with different accents.  And so, their accents are all mixed throughout the city.  But, I rarely hear the Spanish accent in their English, because most of them speak only Spanish. I had to learn Spanish, living in L.A. because I hardly met any English speakers.  Hablo Espa?ol Oaxaque?o, porque en mi barrio, la gente son ?ndios solamente del estado Oaxaca!   


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 02, 2018, 09:31:35 AM
When my kids were going to school in England (Jr High and HS age), in no time they "adopted" the King's English as spoken in Gloucestershire. Slang and everything. School mates and the BBC taught them well. So well that after a year or two, many English folk on meeting them did not know they were Americans. Within a month of returning to the USA, all traces of their "Britishness" were gone. At least thev still know what words like toff, naff, chuffed, berk, bog, etc mean.

Wonder how many Boyle Hts kids, born here, talk one way in ELA and differently if they happened to be admitted to UCLA and are in class there? "Cheech" Marin (of Cheech & Chong) has a trace of ELA in his speech but nothing like the stereotypical Mexican-American "stoner" he played in his comedy roles.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on January 02, 2018, 10:46:09 AM
Robb--agree  but  local  extreme accents like  Brooklyn  in 50s-60s   are long gone.
What surprised  me  & it still  exists--is that  Mex-Americans-born here--in ELA  often speak/spoke  English with a  distinct  accent.  Possibly because of being bi-lingual--but just because it was the  neighborhood --I wonder if that  exists in any other big  US cities.
It probably does in areas in big cities or regions populated mostly by people from one area (region) of another country, such as Little Italy in New York City(in the 1900s-1950s)(which was heavily influenced by Sicililian and Neopolitan (Southern dialects), or Polish neighbourhoods in Chicago, or Ukranian neighbourhoods in Winnipeg, or Nova Scotia (which was settled almost exclusively by Scots after The English Defeated The French in 1713, and the French settlers from there were forced out to Acadie (New Brunswick), and Newfoundland, which was originally settled by people from the southwest of England, after The English pushed The French out (to Quebec and Acadie) in 1713.  the Polish accent in The Polish neighbourhoods was a regional come from Poland, as the majority of The immigrant Poles there had migrated from Silesia.  The same for The Spanish speakers in Chicago's Indiana suburbs (East Chicago, Hammond and Gary) as most of them had come from Nexico's states of Zacatecas, Jalisco and Oaxaca.  So, they spoke a rural dialect of Central Mexico, which sounded different from The dialects of El Paso and San Antonio, which are heavily influenced by the speech of Chihuahua and Coahuila.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 02, 2018, 11:31:51 AM
Cheech is a good  example of  the accent.  Also--George Lopez a bit & Paul Rodriguez.  Its  not really a Spanish accent--just a style  of  speaking.  Cheech very good example. 

Joe-right-UCLA  will changeanyone's accent. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on January 02, 2018, 12:19:15 PM
After my then high school age son came back from a 3-4 week summer program at Cambridge, he startled us with his [brief] adoption of Britishism's like "quite".

In grad school, I was on a semester-long team project whose members (4) included an "older" guy who had been in the army, bounced around multiple undergraduate institutions to earn his degree, and was an African-American raised in the "ghetto" in D.C.  He spoke "ghetto" most of the time, but come our final presentation to a review panel of business executives, his diction, language, and sentence structure morphed into absolutely impeccable (and impressive) proper English.  I ended up asking him for the definitions of some of the words he had used.

He was a really good guy; went on to land a nice career in the federal government.   


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 02, 2018, 12:24:20 PM
LOL at the UCLA ref!

Cheech, btw, was born in South Central but basically grew up in Granada Hills. Went to a Catholic HS in Mission Hills, then to San Fernando Valley State (now CSUN) for a few years. Fled to British Columbia to avoid Vietnam War draft. Only speaks a little Spanish. Dad was LAPD.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 02, 2018, 12:26:49 PM
After my then high school age son came back from a 3-4 week summer program at Cambridge, he startled us with his [brief] adoption of Britishism's like "quite".

In grad school, I was on a semester-long team project whose members (4) included an "older" guy who had been in the army, bounced around multiple undergraduate institutions to earn his degree, and was an African-American raised in the "ghetto" in D.C.  He spoke "ghetto" most of the time, but come our final presentation to a review panel of business executives, his diction, language, and sentence structure morphed into absolutely impeccable (and impressive) proper English.  I ended up asking him for the definitions of some of the words he had used.

He was a really good guy; went on to land a nice career in the federal government.   

My kids, as teenagers, were REALLY at that age where you don't want to be "different." So ... they pretty easily added/dropped stuff.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 02, 2018, 10:40:53 PM
Sure Joe--thats not how Cheech talks at home--but great imitation.

Remember  the great scene in airplane  when Mrs. Cleaver  (Billingsley) because she spoke "jive"  translated the blacks' food order to the stewardess?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 03, 2018, 09:01:53 AM
Sure Joe--thats not how Cheech talks at home--but great imitation.

Remember  the great scene in airplane  when Mrs. Cleaver  (Billingsley) because she spoke "jive"  translated the blacks' food order to the stewardess?

Hilarious. Love that type of humor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSLcYQHqFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXSLcYQHqFQ)



Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 04, 2018, 12:07:16 AM
Funnier now  37 yrslater.   Too PC  for that now-but great.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 04, 2018, 09:55:37 AM
Funnier now  37 yrslater.   Too PC  for that now-but great.

Both of those guys worked in scores of TV shows for years. Hill St Blues, NYPD Blue, the CSI series, Grey's Anatomy. No starring roles but hopefully made them a decent living.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 04, 2018, 06:06:49 PM
Dont recall  them. But  brilliant  casting with Mrs. Cleaver.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 24, 2018, 02:51:30 PM
How did Vladimir Guerrero NOT get in the HoF last year?? 5th highest BA among players with over 400 HRs.

Anyone wanna take a crack at the four players who hit for a higher average with 400+ HRs?  Clue: It's a damn impressive list!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on January 24, 2018, 09:50:42 PM
How did Vladimir Guerrero NOT get in the HoF last year?? 5th highest BA among players with over 400 HRs.

Anyone wanna take a crack at the four players who hit for a higher average with 400+ HRs?  Clue: It's a damn impressive list!
Ted Williams -.344, Stan Musial-.331, Babe Ruth .342, Lou Gherig .340

also Jimmy Foxx 534 HR, .325 higher than Guerrero's .318  That makes 5.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 24, 2018, 10:40:30 PM
I  disagree  with  Hoffman & Thome--DH  mostly. Ruth would have hit  900  w/DH.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 25, 2018, 02:50:18 PM
How did Vladimir Guerrero NOT get in the HoF last year?? 5th highest BA among players with over 400 HRs.

Anyone wanna take a crack at the four players who hit for a higher average with 400+ HRs?  Clue: It's a damn impressive list!
Ted Williams -.344, Stan Musial-.331, Babe Ruth .342, Lou Gherig .340

also Jimmy Foxx 534 HR, .325 higher than Guerrero's .318  That makes 5.

Right, as usual Robb. Still, to me his stats should have made Guerrero an automatic first round HoF selection. Guess he failed to do enough to impress the baseball writers. Oh yeah, he could also throw a baseball on a beeline to any base. One of the best OF arms of his generation.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on January 26, 2018, 07:52:35 PM
LOL at the UCLA ref!

Cheech, btw, was born in South Central but basically grew up in Granada Hills. Went to a Catholic HS in Mission Hills, then to San Fernando Valley State (now CSUN) for a few years. Fled to British Columbia to avoid Vietnam War draft. Only speaks a little Spanish. Dad was LAPD.
Where he met Tommy Chong!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 26, 2018, 08:08:24 PM
Chong's 79 now and battling his second form of cancer. Both he and his actress daughter, Rae Dawn, became naturalized US citizens.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on January 27, 2018, 02:46:24 AM
Speaking of picking up a cultural accent - my son and his buddies started using black slang in the early 90's.  He eventually went to Washington State University in Pullman, WA in the area they call the Palouse - WELL - he was talking his Seattle based jive and one of the big WSU lineman put him up against a wall and said "you're on the Palouse now, you're white, talk white".  Lesson learned for my son.  He actually realized that not only did he sound silly but he was also insulting the blacks.

I was guilty of the same thing in HS, we all wanted to sound like Chicanos - dumb us.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 27, 2018, 09:19:01 AM
Anyone know why they call that area of Eastern Washington state the Palouse? First time I ever heard the term was when the recently-deceased broadcaster Keith Jackson used the term (he went to WSU). Always wondered.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on January 27, 2018, 03:29:06 PM
Horse country, name started many moons ago, at least that's the explanation we were given when we went for orientation with our son.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 27, 2018, 04:32:06 PM
Maybe a Native American name? Wonder if it only refers to the general Spokane-Pullman geographical area or if it extends into Idaho as well?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on January 27, 2018, 04:56:10 PM
JoeC I do not have an answer for that, I'll ask my son the next time he calls.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 27, 2018, 05:46:52 PM
P  in palouse  from Pullman, somehow?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on January 28, 2018, 01:07:01 AM
Maybe a Native American name? Wonder if it only refers to the general Spokane-Pullman geographical area or if it extends into Idaho as well?
The French trappers named it.  "Pelouse" means: flat land with short grass.  "Peleuse" means "peeled".


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 28, 2018, 09:28:38 AM
Maybe a Native American name? Wonder if it only refers to the general Spokane-Pullman geographical area or if it extends into Idaho as well?
The French trappers named it.  "Pelouse" means: flat land with short grass.  "Peleuse" means "peeled".

Thanks, Robb, for the explanation.

Always wondered how "son of a Georgia dirt farmer" Keith Jackson ended up at Washington State. Turns out that was due to his Marine Corps service on the West Coast and the GI Bill. He started calling WSU sports after graduating, and from there went to KOMO in Seattle, and on to the national network jobs.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on January 28, 2018, 10:47:13 PM
Thanks Robb, I doubt my WSU grad son even knows that.

Keith was well thought of here in Seattle.  A true gentleman on and off the air.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 29, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
I liked him better  than Gifford on Mon nite football.   They didn't need another jock.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 29, 2018, 02:24:38 PM
I liked him better  than Gifford on Mon nite football.   They didn't need another jock.

Lived (and died) in Sherman Oaks, per the LA Times.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on January 29, 2018, 06:20:00 PM
Used to be the man on TV--NBA, MLB  & Mon nite.  WOW--anything else?  Besides NCAA?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on January 29, 2018, 06:49:58 PM
Used to be the man on TV--NBA, MLB  & Mon nite.  WOW--anything else?  Besides NCAA?

The Olympics, and some NASCAR. I think maybe even boxing.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on February 11, 2018, 10:25:37 PM
RIP Wally  Moon. :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on February 11, 2018, 10:35:25 PM
RIP Wally  Moon. :'( :'( :'(

Know he's famous for his "Moon Shots" in the LA Coliseum for the Dodgers but I always think of him as a St. Louis Cardinal, with those red birds sitting on a bat on his Away uniform gray shirt.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on February 11, 2018, 11:07:05 PM
RIP Wally  Moon. :'( :'( :'(
1954 NL Rookie of the year.  Great hitter.  Sorry to hear, but all the players from that era are already gone, or will be over the next 10-15 years.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 12, 2018, 01:31:26 AM
Not to nit pick because it's obviously just a typo (and I can't type for tyrin') but Wally was ROY in '54 (not '64) just to set the record straight. 87 years young when he passed.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on February 12, 2018, 01:59:58 AM
I recall  that  Cards   had 3  consecutive great rookie  Outfielders-Jackie Brandt,  Moon &  Virdon.  All  traded  away.

Joe isn't  the home  uniform the same--just white?  Topps  took pix in NYC--so  most National  Leaguers were in Ebbets, a few in Polo.  & ALL Americn lleaguers were in YAnkee  St.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on February 12, 2018, 09:07:13 AM
Doc, I'm sure that's right and I'm also sure so many visual memories of mine are dictated by the old baseball cards. You're dead right (I was thinking of Moon in the 1955 Bowman TV set series with the Away grays on). Thinking right now of Red Schoendienst in that same 1955 away uni. if I had a favorite Cardinal, it was Red. I was always partial to 2B -- Nellie Fox, Red, Johnny Temple, Maz ...

Think Bobby Del Greco, another rookie coming up in the era, was the reason why at least one of those guys was traded. And he never really panned out.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 12, 2018, 12:31:31 PM
Unusual for the timeframe - Wally apparently had a bachelor's degree in education and pursued (or intended to) a master's. Spent most of his post-MLB career as a college baseball coach. Seemed like a very even-keeled and likable guy.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on February 12, 2018, 01:32:08 PM
Unusual for the timeframe - Wally apparently had a bachelor's degree in education and pursued (or intended to) a master's. Spent most of his post-MLB career as a college baseball coach. Seemed like a very even-keeled and likable guy.

Interesting point, Mike. Made me wonder what percentage of ball players, even now, have a college degree. Here's an excerpt from a 2012 Fox Sports article on the subject.

"As of mid-May 2012, 917 players had appeared in at least one big-league game this season, according to STATS LLC. Of that group, only 39 — or 4.3 percent — were confirmed by their teams of MLB as having obtained four-year college degrees through a FOXSports.com survey of clubs.

In that context, Curtis Granderson’s degree in business management and business marketing is about as impressive as the MVP-caliber numbers he posted for the New York Yankees last year.

The Diamondbacks lead the majors with seven college graduates: JJ Putz, Willie Bloomquist (Arizona State), Craig Breslow (Yale), John McDonald (Providence), Takashi Saito (Tohoku Fukushi University in Japan), Mike Zagurski (Kansas) and Brad Ziegler (Southwest Missouri State). The Houston Astros and Tampa Bay Rays are tied for second with four graduates apiece on their 40-man rosters."

And no, Lou Gehrig left Columbia after just two years there. And brainy author, Jim Brosnan, apparently never set foot on a college campus.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on February 12, 2018, 08:43:35 PM
Unusual for the timeframe - Wally apparently had a bachelor's degree in education and pursued (or intended to) a master's. Spent most of his post-MLB career as a college baseball coach. Seemed like a very even-keeled and likable guy.

Interesting point, Mike. Made me wonder what percentage of ball players, even now, have a college degree. Here's an excerpt from a 2012 Fox Sports article on the subject.

"As of mid-May 2012, 917 players had appeared in at least one big-league game this season, according to STATS LLC. Of that group, only 39 — or 4.3 percent — were confirmed by their teams of MLB as having obtained four-year college degrees through a FOXSports.com survey of clubs.

The Diamondbacks lead the majors with seven college graduates: JJ Putz, Willie Bloomquist (Arizona State), Craig Breslow (Yale), John McDonald (Providence), Takashi Saito (Tohoku Fukushi University in Japan), Mike Zagurski (Kansas) and Brad Ziegler (Southwest Missouri State).

JJ Putz????  What a great name.  Sounds like the terrible names given to Jews when family names were doled out by the East European governments, to raise money from those Jews having to pay lots of money to get a "better sounding name".  ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 13, 2018, 01:14:38 AM
Unusual for the timeframe - Wally apparently had a bachelor's degree in education and pursued (or intended to) a master's. Spent most of his post-MLB career as a college baseball coach. Seemed like a very even-keeled and likable guy.

Interesting point, Mike. Made me wonder what percentage of ball players, even now, have a college degree. Here's an excerpt from a 2012 Fox Sports article on the subject.

"As of mid-May 2012, 917 players had appeared in at least one big-league game this season, according to STATS LLC. Of that group, only 39 — or 4.3 percent — were confirmed by their teams of MLB as having obtained four-year college degrees through a FOXSports.com survey of clubs.

In that context, Curtis Granderson’s degree in business management and business marketing is about as impressive as the MVP-caliber numbers he posted for the New York Yankees last year.

The Diamondbacks lead the majors with seven college graduates: JJ Putz, Willie Bloomquist (Arizona State), Craig Breslow (Yale), John McDonald (Providence), Takashi Saito (Tohoku Fukushi University in Japan), Mike Zagurski (Kansas) and Brad Ziegler (Southwest Missouri State). The Houston Astros and Tampa Bay Rays are tied for second with four graduates apiece on their 40-man rosters."

And no, Lou Gehrig left Columbia after just two years there. And brainy author, Jim Brosnan, apparently never set foot on a college campus.

Don Slaught, former catcher, is a graduate of UCLA with a degree in economics, having returned to complete his degree while playing pro ball.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on February 13, 2018, 02:04:51 AM
Don't forget Doc  Medich &  Bobby Brown.

Yogi was sitting  next to  Brown on a train.  Brown was reading  Gray's Anatomy.Yogi a comic book. Yogi said  to  Brown,"  Mine turned out good,how about yours?"


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2018, 09:50:57 AM
Don't forget Doc  Medich &  Bobby Brown.

Yogi was sitting  next to  Brown on a train.  Brown was reading  Gray's Anatomy.Yogi a comic book. Yogi said  to  Brown,"  Mine turned out good,how about yours?"

Doug Glanville got his BA from an Ivy League school, the University of Pennsylvania.

Branch Rickey had a brief MLB career as a catcher for the Browns in the 1905 time frame. Graduate of Ohio Wesleyan University.

Hank Greenberg and Eddie Yost both went to NYU, but only for one year before signing.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on February 13, 2018, 12:04:09 PM
Ron Taylor, Mets relief pitcher, became a doctor, including time as team doctor for the Bluejays! Tom House, also a relief hurler, obtained bachelors and masters from USC, followed by a doctorate in sports psychology. That brings me back to Slaught, as both he and House have had post-baseball careers involving the application of technology and scientific principles toward coaching and perforance improvement in baseball. Ron Darling attended Yale, and I believe eventually completed his degree (elsewhere?)


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on February 13, 2018, 01:34:51 PM
USC  could  field a whole team--Seaver, McGwire, Johnson etc.

UCLA-Karros, Utley.& many more too.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on February 13, 2018, 02:08:47 PM
Nobody tops Arizona State -- Reggie Jackson, Barry Bonds, Rick Monday, Sal and Chris Bando, Dustin Pedroia, Bob Horner, Andre Ethier, Paul LoDuca, Gary Gentry, Lenny Randle, Mike Devereaux, Oddibe McDowell, Ken Landreaux, the Bannisters, Hubie Brooks, Larry Gura, Ken Phelps, Marty Barrett, Pat Listach, the Romines, Ian Kinsler, Mike Leake, Jason Kipnis, Bump Wills, and about 30 other big leaguers.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on February 13, 2018, 02:11:12 PM
Don't forget Doc  Medich &  Bobby Brown.

Yogi was sitting  next to  Brown on a train.  Brown was reading  Gray's Anatomy.Yogi a comic book. Yogi said  to  Brown,"  Mine turned out good,how about yours?"

Doug Glanville got his BA from an Ivy League school, the University of Pennsylvania.

Branch Rickey had a brief MLB career as a catcher for the Browns in the 1905 time frame. Graduate of Ohio Wesleyan University.

Hank Greenberg and Eddie Yost both went to NYU, but only for one year before signing.

Branch Rickey played 3 years for The Browns and 1 year for The Yankees.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on March 18, 2018, 05:32:44 PM
Joe -- and any who  know NYC fans--  Ohtani  chose Angels wisely--hitting & pitching  very badly. 

The NY press   & Russo type guys would have caused a   nervous breakdown a la Ed  Whitson.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on March 18, 2018, 06:44:01 PM
Cal State Fullerton has turned out a few good players over the years.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on March 18, 2018, 07:06:58 PM
Cal State Fullerton has turned out a few good players over the years.

Yes they have. Great program! Tim Wallach from Huntington Beach comes to my mind first.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on March 18, 2018, 08:25:13 PM
Long Beach State gave us Jared Weaver and Jason Vargas, among others.

MLB Union Chief Tony Clark played at CS Fullerton I think.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on March 18, 2018, 08:33:20 PM
Long Beach State gave us Jared Weaver and Jason Vargas, among others.

MLB Union Chief Tony Clark played at CS Fullerton I think.

There was a stretch there where CS-F seemed to be in the College World Series every year. So, I imagine the list of major league players is a long one. Don't know about Tony but am pretty sure Phil Nevin went there (best years with the Padres).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on March 18, 2018, 10:23:25 PM
Doc, I'm sure that's right and I'm also sure so many visual memories of mine are dictated by the old baseball cards. You're dead right (I was thinking of Moon in the 1955 Bowman TV set series with the Away grays on). Thinking right now of Red Schoendienst in that same 1955 away uni. if I had a favorite Cardinal, it was Red. I was always partial to 2B -- Nellie Fox, Red, Johnny Temple, Maz ...

Think Bobby Del Greco, another rookie coming up in the era, was the reason why at least one of those guys was traded. And he never really panned out.
Bobby Del Greco was a bonus baby who flopped.  At least Bill Virdon was a great fielder, who hit decently enough to be a serviceable regular ML outfielder for a solid long career.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on March 18, 2018, 11:38:27 PM
Nevin--steroid boy-- did.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on March 19, 2018, 08:37:18 AM
Doc, I'm sure that's right and I'm also sure so many visual memories of mine are dictated by the old baseball cards. You're dead right (I was thinking of Moon in the 1955 Bowman TV set series with the Away grays on). Thinking right now of Red Schoendienst in that same 1955 away uni. if I had a favorite Cardinal, it was Red. I was always partial to 2B -- Nellie Fox, Red, Johnny Temple, Maz ...

Think Bobby Del Greco, another rookie coming up in the era, was the reason why at least one of those guys was traded. And he never really panned out.
Bobby Del Greco was a bonus baby who flopped.  At least Bill Virdon was a great fielder, who hit decently enough to be a serviceable regular ML outfielder for a solid long career.

Del Greco had a lot of speed and a very good defender (like Virdon). Batted leadoff for Cards after they got him from Pirates. Just couldn't hit.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on March 19, 2018, 10:49:01 AM
Doc, I'm sure that's right and I'm also sure so many visual memories of mine are dictated by the old baseball cards. You're dead right (I was thinking of Moon in the 1955 Bowman TV set series with the Away grays on). Thinking right now of Red Schoendienst in that same 1955 away uni. if I had a favorite Cardinal, it was Red. I was always partial to 2B -- Nellie Fox, Red, Johnny Temple, Maz ...

Think Bobby Del Greco, another rookie coming up in the era, was the reason why at least one of those guys was traded. And he never really panned out.
Bobby Del Greco was a bonus baby who flopped.  At least Bill Virdon was a great fielder, who hit decently enough to be a serviceable regular ML outfielder for a solid long career.

Del Greco had a lot of speed and a very good defender (like Virdon). Batted leadoff for Cards after they got him from Pirates. Just couldn't hit.

Yeah, Bobby Del Greco was no Bobby Gene Smith  ::)


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 07, 2018, 09:08:22 PM
Joe--can u lend me a few bucks.?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to  get $3.5   million together  for  a Mantle 1952 rookie  card.   In an upcoming auction.

RIP--Jack Hamilton--famous for"killing"   Tony Conigliaro  in 1967.  Tony never really recovered & died  very prematurely.  Iknow he had a good yr  AFTER the beaning-don't know  how.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 08, 2018, 11:29:05 AM
Jack Hamilton aka 'Hairbreadth Harry' aka 'Fat Jack'


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on April 08, 2018, 02:14:51 PM
Joe--can u lend me a few bucks.?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Trying to  get $3.5   million together  for  a Mantle 1952 rookie  card.   In an upcoming auction.

I had that card, and the entire set (most of them inherited from older cousins in Chicago).  But, when I was 14, I thought I had grown up, so I gave all my sports cards to younger cousins.  They flipped them and destroyed them.  Mine wouldn't have been mint, anyway.  So, it probably would only be worth a few thousand dollars now (which wouldn't change my life-so I wouldn't consider selling it, iF I did have it).  I WOULD sell it for $3.5 million IF I had a mint copy today.  Even that money wouldn't change my life (it would just give me a little more security, and a little better feeling).  I'd still have to be careful with my money.  I inherited most of the US Topps and Bowman baseball cards from 1946-1952 from older cousins (with whom I lived after moving to Chicago), plus all those cards I was missing from 1953-1961, when buying them when we spent summers in Chicago.  So, I had just about all the complete sets of early Bowmans, and ALL Topps from 1946-1960 in 1961.  I also had some stray football and basketball cards (which I had inherited), plus all my Canadian and US hockey cards from the beginning of the 1950s through the early 1960s.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 09, 2018, 07:19:38 AM
That $3.5M Mantle must be from an unopened pack (of which I didn't think there were any more). And, since the slicers they used to cut the cards from a sheet of cards did not do a uniform job with the card "borders", the card must've been a lucky one that got cut evenly. Even with all that, the price seems WAY high.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 09, 2018, 10:49:37 AM
Giancarlo Stanton struck out 16x last week. Joe DiMaggio struck out 13x all year in 1941.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 09, 2018, 11:26:57 AM
The $3.5M price is only the auctioneer's "expected" price. A recent Jackie Robinson item ('47 uniform?) that was "expected" top fetch app. $4M ended up going for something like $2.3M.

Wonder how much my "original" 1958 Topps Ed Bouchee would bring?  ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2018, 02:20:48 PM
Re:   Bouchee--think  I'll  ask  Lance Rentzel. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 09, 2018, 04:40:03 PM
I know Bouchee did not do any time. Did Lance? I guess that was par for the course in the 50s and 60s. What happens to guys caught for indecent exposure today? Same, i.e., probation and a couple months of "in-house" mental health counseling?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2018, 05:28:21 PM
Joe--the 1st  time--probation  etc.  BUT  with highy recidivistic crimes-this & shoplifting -- second arrest could  be a felony--state prison.  But it is often   reduced  so  usually  just 6 mos or less jail.

Dont  think  Lance  Heatherton ;D ;D ;D ;D  did any time, but  was out of NFL.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 09, 2018, 10:10:43 PM
How wrong I was! ;D ;D ;D

Ohtani  is 1st player  since  Ruth  in 1919 to start and hit a HR  &  win a srart in 1st  10  games.  BUT  hes DH--so  no  field.


Now  maybe Stanton will be the next Ed Whitson.  I did predict   a few  weeks ago  he would be DL  after 30 games. Let's  see. Maybe  on D  for  depression.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 10, 2018, 07:46:13 AM
How wrong I was! ;D ;D ;D

Ohtani  is 1st player  since  Ruth  in 1919 to start and hit a HR  &  win a srart in 1st  10  games.  BUT  hes DH--so  no  field.


Now  maybe Stanton will be the next Ed Whitson.  I did predict   a few  weeks ago  he would be DL  after 30 games. Let's  see. Maybe  on D  for  depression.

Stanton was streaky with Miami so he'll probably turn it around. Teixeira was another huge NYY acquisition who never did reach the level of hype he rec'd when signing. Then, there's Ellsbury's contract! Thing is, NYY can absorb those bad contracts; others can't (well, maybe the Dodgers).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on April 10, 2018, 11:24:01 AM
Some recent contract busts that come immediately to mind - Josh Hamilton and Carl Pavano. Maybe David Wright too. I'm sure there are many others. 


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 10, 2018, 12:02:00 PM
There's flat out busts where a team really gets nothing on the field for the high-priced acquisition. Then, more commonly, where the player just doesn't live up to maybe what were always unrealistic expectations. Teixeira was in the latter category. Even a great player like Albert Pujols. Was Ken Griffey, Jr ever really as good for Cincinnati as he was for Seattle? Not even close.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 10, 2018, 10:23:17 PM
Pablo Sandoval &   Mo  Vaughn  --tough  to  be  bigger  busts.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 11, 2018, 07:43:06 AM
Denny McLain acquired by the Senators in the late 60s. Had nothing left. Frank Howard, on the other hand, came pretty cheap and turned out to have much more to offer than he was able to sporadically show with LA.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 20, 2018, 11:33:34 PM
Joe--Osteen  was  a big  help to  63,65, & 66  Dodgers.   He was 3rd  behind  Sandy  &  Don.

I batted against  him in BP--swung & missed 15 times  &  gave up. His ball  had a very  tough natural spin.

How things  have  changed-- Until  this  week only ONE  Red  Sox  had    TWO  3  HR  games--of course  Teddy Ballgame.   

Add Mookie  Betts  to the list--wha? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Just a matter of time--he'll  beat Ted. :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 21, 2018, 07:22:38 AM
Joe--Osteen  was  a big  help to  63,65, & 66  Dodgers.   He was 3rd  behind  Sandy  &  Don.

I batted against  him in BP--swung & missed 15 times  &  gave up. His ball  had a very  tough natural spin.

How things  have  changed-- Until  this  week only ONE  Red  Sox  had    TWO  3  HR  games--of course  Teddy Ballgame.   

Add Mookie  Betts  to the list--wha? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D  Just a matter of time--he'll  beat Ted. :'( :'( :'( :'(

Osteen was really good but ... he did nothing for attendance in DC. That 1964 trade was:

Dodgers got Osteen and utility Inf John Kennedy plus $100,000

Senators got Frank Howard (10 HR in 20 AB in 1968, 40+ Hr a year, huge attendance draw), 3B Ken McMullen (a solid starter for years), P Pete Richert (became Senators ace), P Phil Ortega, and PH Dick Nen.

LA could afford to give away a lot and get the pitching "piece" they needed. Senators needed volume.  As trades go, they got a pretty darn good haul. Richert won as many games in DC as Osteen ever had on a bad team. Senators, under Ted Williams, actually were 86-76 in 1969, only winning record of decade for them. That '64 trade was the foundation (along with the one good year 1B Mike Epstein ever had).


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 22, 2018, 11:12:32 PM
Wash did well  but  w/o Osteen  LA  wouldNOT  have won  in 63,65,  or 66.

Another  Bob Horner moment.    Brandon Belt   just  was   up for 21 pitches  in one AB.   WOW -- most pitches   in 150 yrs & all the greats.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2018, 07:27:16 AM
Wash did well  but  w/o Osteen  LA  wouldNOT  have won  in 63,65,  or 66.

Another  Bob Horner moment.    Brandon Belt   just  was   up for 21 pitches  in one AB.   WOW -- most pitches   in 150 yrs & all the greats.

What did they say the AB took in terms of time -- almost 13 minutes? Amazing.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2018, 11:33:38 AM
Joe--sorry  .Stat  only kept since 1988.  Still  amazing.     Figure Fox,Yost & many other greats beat it.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 23, 2018, 01:04:44 PM
Maybe but ... that's a lot of pitches to foul off in any era. Apparently, Ricky Gutierrez had the previous record of 20.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: Robb_K on April 23, 2018, 09:56:17 PM
Joe--sorry  .Stat  only kept since 1988.  Still  amazing.     Figure Fox,Yost & many other greats beat it.
Imagine how many Ty Cobb, George Sisler, Rogers Hornsby, Big Ed Delahanty, Wee Willie Keeler, Hugh Duffy, and all the other good hitters during the times before MLB started tabulating that statistic.  During my time as a fan, I remember reading (in the early 1950s) that Charley Gheringer fouled off 19 in a row, and that that was the record at the time.  So, I guess Gheringer, depending on how many balls he took, had somewhere between 21 and 24 pitches in that at bat (which might have been, but isn't necessarily the record.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 23, 2018, 11:16:47 PM
Agree Robb--certainly  ironic    that  a mediocre hitter  like Belt  did  it.   Assuming  3-2 count  before fouls start--thats  16-17  fouls-certainly amazing.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 24, 2018, 06:41:30 AM
Wish more guys would "choke up" on the bat with two strikes (like Nellie Fox and all those old time hitters). The Orioles lead the majors with almost 30% of their outs coming via strikeout! I don't watch/go to games to see players strike out. I want to see the ball in play.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 25, 2018, 01:35:38 AM
Things have  changed--no squeezes,  SBs,   pitchers  go 6,  & in hoops teams take 50 3s per game. 

Didn't  Senators  Tom Cheney  once go  21innings?  Amazing.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on April 25, 2018, 06:53:43 AM
Cheney, in 1962, struck our 21 Orioles in a 16 inning complete game that he pitched. Senators won, 2-1. Per Baseball Ref: Cheney gave up 10 hits in the 16 innings and walked four. Get this! He threw 228 pitches, mostly curve balls.  The long-forgotten Senators 1B Bud Zipfel, went 3-7 and drove in both Washington runs. Charlie Lau, O's Catcher, drove in the Baltimore run.

Here's another sign of major change. As late as 1971, most of us know I'm sure that the entire Orioles starting staff (Palmer, Dobson, Cuellar and McNally) all won 20 or more games. Each one threw between 226-294 innings.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on April 30, 2018, 10:55:48 PM
Thanx Joe--well i got 21 something rite.

ATTN---57  yrs ago today  Willie  hit 4 HRS  in County  Stadium.

That Oriole team -good  trivia  ??  Dobson the hardest.  BTW, any other MLB ers  from BHils   Hi besides Jim?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on May 01, 2018, 01:23:11 AM
The O's catcher was from my hight school, two years ahead of me.  Andy Etchebarren caught and played third.  He was also on the varsity football team.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 01, 2018, 08:22:29 AM
Thanx Joe--well i got 21 something rite.

ATTN---57  yrs ago today  Willie  hit 4 HRS  in County  Stadium.

That Oriole team -good  trivia  ??  Dobson the hardest.  BTW, any other MLB ers  from BHils   Hi besides Jim?

Palmer's youth was interesting. One of the best pitchers I ever saw (and I'm no O's fan). Think he's still the youngest pitcher to ever win a complete game in the WS, a 6-0 shutout clincher against LA in '66. Age 20. Had the big leg kick similar to Marichal!

Here's a Wiki writeup: "Palmer was born in New York City. Shortly after his birth, Palmer was adopted by Moe Wiesen, a (NYC) garment industry executive ... He disclosed in 2018 that a search with Ancestry.com revealed that he is 95 percent Irish and his birth father's surname was Geheran. After his adoptive father died in 1955, the nine-year-old Jim, his mother and his sister moved to California, where he began playing in youth-league baseball. In 1956, his mother married actor Max Palmer, from whom Jim Palmer took his last name."

I think only other prominent athlete with a BHHS association was mid-50s Cal and UCLA Tailback Ronnie Knox who was a star player in Westwood when I was like in the 6th grade. He got kicked out of UCLA for taking money and other "perks" (from Cal-Berkeley during his recruitment but which came to light at UCLA). Ended up in the CFL and trying to be an actor with MGM. Like Palmer, handsome guy. Unlike Palmer (successful O"s and occasional national TV broadcaster), he became a poet and died  a "drifter" at 57.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 01, 2018, 01:45:40 PM
It was  reported for yrs that Jim was"half Jewish."     His kick was  like Juan's.


Ronnie Knox had   an interfering father  who pissed off Red Sanders.   Like  Levar Ball.   Knox had real  tough competition --as I recall #1  in 1954 &  had a single wing.  He couldn't  beat out Sam "first down" Brown,  or  Bob Davenport  --think Kilmer was a couple yrs later.


Etchebarren  from BH?  Didn't know  that.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 01, 2018, 01:47:38 PM
Knox must have been the only  white Drifter--in a bogus grp  for sure. ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doowopbob on May 01, 2018, 01:56:06 PM
doctordoowop - No, Andy went to La Puente High School, La Puente, CA.  Another alum from my high school who made it to the "show" was pitcher Paul Jaeckel (listed in baseball reference as Jake) in 1964.  Neither Andy or Paul were full of themselves.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 01, 2018, 05:00:14 PM
doctordoowop - No, Andy went to La Puente High School, La Puente, CA.  Another alum from my high school who made it to the "show" was pitcher Paul Jaeckel (listed in baseball reference as Jake) in 1964.  Neither Andy or Paul were full of themselves.

Andy had a very nice 15 year career in the majors. Caught some all-time greats. Not much power but he could drive in a clutch run when you needed it. He was the very last batter to ever face Sandy Koufax. He got two WS rings and a couple other AL pennants with B'more. Made two AL All Star teams.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 02, 2018, 09:25:24 PM
Last  v. Sandy--great trivia.    Who was 1st?     Johnny  Temple?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 02, 2018, 11:51:29 PM
I quit baseball-Mookie Betts just brike Teddy's RedSoxHR record   3 HRs  tonit!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 03, 2018, 07:55:54 AM
All three by Betts were solo blasts. HRs are down this year, K's way up, at least so far.

Don't know who got first hit off Sandy. Back to his Bonus Baby days I guess. Etchebarren's last AB was a good one for Sandy as Etchebarren grounded into a DP. That woulda been in Game 2, the one where Palmer and the O's won, 6-0 (I had it wrong -- I thought Palmer pitched the clincher but that was Dave McNally).

Per Baseball Reference, Game 1 (Moe Drabowsky in long relief beat Drysdale 5-2). Then Palmer beat Koufax 6-0, followed by two 1-0 wins by Bunker and McNally over Osteen and Drysdale respectively. Dodgers scored twice in losing Game 1, then never scored another run. Willie D was 0-16, Maury Wills 1-13 and Roseboro 1-14.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 03, 2018, 10:59:23 PM
Dont forget  Willie  D's  terrible play   in CF.  Roosevelt  Hi BTW.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2018, 08:50:53 AM
Interesting too that F Robby won the Triple Crown in 1966 and Yaz (Bridgehampton HS) won it the very next year. Took another 45 years for Cabrera to get his!


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 04, 2018, 11:03:06 AM
Yaz  302  BA  must have been lowest ever  for 3  Crown.

BTW,who did Cincy get for Robby? Pappas?


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: bklynmike101 on May 04, 2018, 12:13:19 PM
Yup - Pappas and some non-entities. The epitome of a lopsided trade.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: JoeC on May 04, 2018, 12:58:21 PM
O's probably threw in a bag of balls. Reds were not the first organization to tire of Frank. One of the greatest players of all time in my estimation but ... rubbed most people (bosses, peers and underlings) wrong. Personally, I liked his style when he was the Nats manager but, I was an exception in the fan base. Old school guy -- no music in the clubhouse, short with the beat writers, fined players, etc.

Seriously, Reds also got P Jack Baldschun and OF Dick Simpson. Baldschun went 1-5 with a high ERA in his two yrs with the Reds. Simpson was a deep bench guy in his two yrs with the Reds -- roughly got less than 90 AB a year and a .240 hitter. Pappas was 30-29 in three yrs with the Reds but had a couple real good years for the Cubs in the early 70s. Won 17 in one of those Wrigley years.


Title: Re: Baseball Trivia
Post by: doctordoowop on May 05, 2018, 11:07:13 PM
Reminds  me  of  Lou Brock  for  Ernie  Broglio, and  Ryan   for  Fregosi.