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Title: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doowopbob on December 20, 2017, 07:20:59 PM
Anyone care to participate?  I can think of a couple:
Arthur Lee Maybe - MLB
Otis Williams - minor league baseball
Conway Twitty - minor league baseball
Charley Pride - minor league baseball
Roosevelt Grier - NFL
Jim McMahon; Walter Payton, etc - 1985 Chicago Bears


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on December 20, 2017, 07:56:45 PM
Wilt Chamberlain, Ernie Terrell, Cassius Clay,

I have records by those 3 plus many records by Arthur Lee Maye, and many by Rosey Grier

I can't help but remember seeing other baseball cards having the same note as Lee Maye had :  "In the offseason, player name is a professional singer!"  I wish I could remember who they were.  Perhaps some basketball, football, and even a hockey player.  :D

I KNOW there are several more recording artists who played professional sports (some only in the minors, some more in major leagues - at least a few games-or a long career and only one record), whose records I have in my collection.  I wish I could remember who they are.   >:(

Footballer Jim Brown owned a few Soul record companies (including Big Jim).  Rosey Grier, Roosevelt Brown, and two other Black players on The New York Football Giants owned a Soul record label (Tac-Ful Records (which had a football runner in a running position straightarming).  Their main group was The New Yorkers.  

I remember several of the Chicago and L.A. VGH group members of the '50s playing either football, basketball or baseball at their high schools.  I'd bet at least a few of them also tried some pro ball (at least in the minors).  It wasn't just Lee Maye who was doing both for a while.  But, I just can't remember.  Could it be that Richard Berry played baseball, too?  Most of the L.A. and a large portion of the Chicago group members I remember, were also athletic.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on December 20, 2017, 08:01:57 PM
Shaquille O'Neal -- couple rap albums in the 90s
Bernie Williams - NYY - Bruce Springsteen guested on one album cut
Bronson Arroyo -  MLB pitcher - put out album of cover songs originally done by artists like Foo Fighters

My son, who works for Fender Musial Instruments in Hollywood, told me many athletes fancy themselves as rock guitarists and often stop by to peruse/purchase gear. Guys like Barry Zito, Bob Brenley, Randy Johnson, etc.  


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on December 21, 2017, 01:41:08 AM
Richie Allen--prob best voice "Echoes of November."


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on December 21, 2017, 01:45:03 AM
Was good  friends with  Berry  & Maye.  Richard  (like Vernon Green)  had polio  as a  kid--so  had a bad leg--no  way he  could  have played any sport.

Wilt  had a 45 on End(?)  & I have seen clips of  him on Bandstand.





Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on December 21, 2017, 09:19:00 AM
Wilt singing on TV musta been a hoot.

Here's one of his records from January 1960. On the End label no less, produced of course "under the personal supervision of George Goldner."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCn323X3c_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCn323X3c_0)


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 21, 2017, 12:41:14 PM
Jim "Mudcat" Grant sang (and pitched for Twns/Indians/others).


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on December 21, 2017, 12:59:05 PM
Was good  friends with  Berry  & Maye.  Richard  (like Vernon Green)  had polio  as a  kid--so  had a bad leg--no  way he  could  have played any sport.

Wilt  had a 45 on End(?)  & I have seen clips of  him on Bandstand.

I must have been thinking of others.  Many of those young VGH singers played on the School teams at Jefferson, Jordan, Fremont, Washington and Manual Arts High Schools.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on December 21, 2017, 02:12:09 PM
Wilt singing on TV musta been a hoot.

Here's one of his records from January 1960. On the End label no less, produced of course "under the personal supervision of George Goldner."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCn323X3c_0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCn323X3c_0)
Did he make ANY other records?  I've never sen nor heard of any.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on December 21, 2017, 04:16:02 PM
Don't know of any others.

The flip side of "That's Easy To Say" was called 'By the River" and was written by Dinah Washington's protege, Norman Mapp, more of a jazz writer. "That's Easy To Say" was written by the team of Vance-Pockriss who wrote Perry Como's "Catch A Falling Star" and the Brian Hyland abomination "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny ...", "Tracy" by the Cuff Links, and the insipid "Johnny Angel' by Shelley Fabares. Based on the writers, I'd guess"That's Easy" was the A side.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on December 21, 2017, 05:37:53 PM
Don't know of any others.

The flip side of "That's Easy To Say" was called 'By the River" and was written by Dinah Washington's protege, Norman Mapp, more of a jazz writer. "That's Easy To Say" was written by the team of Vance-Pockriss who wrote Perry Como's "Catch A Falling Star" and the Brian Hyland abomination "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny ...", "Tracy" by the Cuff Links, and the insipid "Johnny Angel' by Shelley Fabares. Based on the writers, I'd guess"That's Easy" was the A side.
Vance and Pockriss were a famous Brill Building duo, who wrote lots of famous Pop, Girls Group, and even some Soul songs.  I probably have well over 100 records with a song of theirs oni them, despite having almost no Pop records in my collection.

Wilt had a decent voice, but these two songs were sung terribly.  I've heard a LOT worse.  But they are not enjoyable to hear.  I wouldn't pay 79? for it. I waited until I saw it in a thrift shop, and bought it for 5?.  :D


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on December 21, 2017, 06:19:35 PM
The clip On Bandstand--Wilt wears a suit and  stands motionless in front of curtain, lip syncing.  Prob.  wondering what the hell he was doing.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on December 21, 2017, 07:25:54 PM
The fact that both sides were written by "name writers" shows Goldner was probably serious about trying to give Wilt a legit shot at a hit. As Alan Freed said, though, if it's not "in the grooves' ... 


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doowopdan in GA on December 22, 2017, 05:10:54 PM
Jackie Wilson was a professional boxer.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on December 22, 2017, 05:58:43 PM
Berry Gordy boxed too, didn't he?


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on December 22, 2017, 07:09:22 PM
Berry Gordy boxed too, didn't he?
Yes, that's how he met Jackie, and Marv Johnson, who was also a boxer (although I don't think he went pro).  I wonder if Billy "Roquel" Davis was a boxer, too? - And if any of Berry's other Motown hirees and early friends were?  I wouldn't be surprised if Andre Williams was.  A lot of singers had scars on their faces.  Some was from"gang wars", and some from boxing.  Some took up boxing because they lived in tough neighbourhoods.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: bklynmike101 on December 22, 2017, 07:37:17 PM
Bill Pinckney played ball - may have been in the old Negro leagues for a brief spell. One of the Ravens - maybe Warren Suttles - played some baseball too at a pretty high level. 


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on December 22, 2017, 10:03:07 PM
Bill Pinckney played ball - may have been in the old Negro leagues for a brief spell. One of the Ravens - maybe Warren Suttles - played some baseball too at a pretty high level. 
I'd bet a LOT of the early VGH group members and old Blues singers played in The Negro Leagues.  I remember seeing lots of references to that and also major and minor league Ball, that I'm forgetting now.  But, I was always surprised,


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 02, 2018, 11:16:03 AM
Speaking of boxing, am reading the bio of Cassius Clay/Muhammad Ali. When he was 15, he was administered the California Standard IQ Test. He scored an 83.

Two friends from the neighborhood in Louisville, described him as the most popular boy in school but "dumb as a box of rocks" and "not the sharpest tack." He was, throughout his life a VERY slow reader. Well before any Parkinson's or brain damage, it would take him 3 or 4x longer than the average reader to get through a simple story in the sports pages. Dropped out of HS in 10th grade. His last wife said he was very dyslexic (a condition either unknown or given short shrift in the 50s).

Doctor, could dyslexia lead to such a low score on the IQ test? Also, there's a theory that dyslexia improved his boxing skills, i.e., that dyslexics have better-developed visual and spatial capability.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 02, 2018, 11:25:39 AM
Joe-sure--now dyslexics are  given  much more time  on standardized tests.   Yrs  ago i met  a    black lady from  Louisville-born around 1940.  She  went to Central  High. I asked  if she knew  Cassius Clay then?   She  was surprised I  knew but said yes, she was chosen to  tutor him in English.  She  .said he was very nice.
Probably  dyslexics are more motivated to  do something physical--but dont think dyslexia IMPROVES  coordination. 


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 02, 2018, 12:34:07 PM
Joe-sure--now dyslexics are  given  much more time  on standardized tests.   Yrs  ago i met  a    black lady from  Louisville-born around 1940.  She  went to Central  High. I asked  if she knew  Cassius Clay then?   She  was surprised I  knew but said yes, she was chosen to  tutor him in English.  She  .said he was very nice.
Probably  dyslexics are more motivated to  do something physical--but dont think dyslexia IMPROVES  coordination.  

The "nice" part really rings true. Everybody who knew him, peers and adults, said in the book that he was always very polite and ingratiating. Couldn't help but like him. One of his HS friends said he never knew anyone to say a negative word about Cassius (I guess excepting the lighthearted comments about his intelligence).

His dad's behavior, well that's another story. Seems he was fond of drink and knives, a bad combination. Louisville PD often called to house for domestic disturbances but never arrested (didn't really see any purpose with "coloreds" involved in DV in those days).


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 02, 2018, 10:36:29 PM
Of course  his  low  reading score  got him  classified  4F.  Then  1A  etc  etc.

Joe--tell your  Westlake  son he  should see  Cavelia  --great  horse acrobatic show in of all places Camarillo--at 101  &  Santa Rosa  Rd.  Costs about wat show in Vegas is,  but well worth it.  Began Nov11,  and still  selling out  2000  seat circus tent  twice  day.  Took son today-fantastic.

Also for u Robb.  All  the acrobats &  horse riders   are from Quebec. ;D ;D ;D.  So  not just hockey  players from  there.

I just hope PETA doesn't try to shut it down.  There  are NO mares, 13  stallions & (woops ) 56 geldings.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: DJ Big Jack on January 02, 2018, 10:45:24 PM
Clay (Ali) trained near where I lived -  he was well liked by everyone as far as I know.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-muhammad-ali-training-camp-deer-lake-20160605-story.html
 (http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-muhammad-ali-training-camp-deer-lake-20160605-story.html)


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 02, 2018, 11:29:36 PM
Agree--Elijah  Mhammad  used him  terribly  & he brainwashed  Ali with his Farrakhan  like race  ideas.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 03, 2018, 08:58:22 AM
Clay (Ali) trained near where I lived -  he was well liked by everyone as far as I know.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-muhammad-ali-training-camp-deer-lake-20160605-story.html
 (http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-muhammad-ali-training-camp-deer-lake-20160605-story.html)

Jack, I can say the same. While I was at the U of Miami, he was training at the "hole in the wall" 5th Street Gym on Miami Beach for the first fight with Liston. Anyone could stop in, which I did on a couple excursions to the nearby beach. In my surfer shorts, tee shirt, and flip flops. That part of Miami Beach in the 60s was pretty run down; now it's called South Beach. 180 degree turnaround though in many ways I preferred the former place.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 04, 2018, 12:13:03 AM
I went to  S Beach in the  early 70s--talk  about gentrification. I liked it better too. Sort of like Venice  CA. Remember  wen beatles  visited Ali .They were waiting to  sing for Ed at the Deauville hotel.  Feb  16,19 64 I think.

After clowning for  a few minutes they left.  then Ali asked  Bundini or  Dundee," Who are those 4  faggots?"


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 04, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
I was at school there in Feb 64. Read that in the papers (the gym visit and Ali's remarks). Second hand, but reliable, reports I got was that The Beatles were far from gay. Their suites at the hotel were a non-stop parade of high school and college girls up for some action. Hand-selected  by their "minders" from the lobby and whisked upstairs.

Doc, if you thought South Beach was gentrified in the 70s, you should see it now. Not my cup of tea. The shots in the movie "Scarface' filmed on Ocean Drive (the ones with the chainsaw Colombian gang) and Pacino's friends waiting in the convertible outside, sorta give a glimpse of the "old" South Beach. The elderly Jewish retirees from NY playing checkers while living out their days on their Social Security pension checks.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 08, 2018, 10:10:26 PM
Clay (Ali) trained near where I lived -  he was well liked by everyone as far as I know.

http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-muhammad-ali-training-camp-deer-lake-20160605-story.html
 (http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-muhammad-ali-training-camp-deer-lake-20160605-story.html)

Jack, just finished a chapter in that Ali biography I mentioned I was reading that talked about Ali training at Deer Creek for the "Rumble in the Jungle" against George Foreman in 1974. Reporters had to stay at a place called the Deer Creek Motel on Rt 61. You familiar with it? Described as having, on their business card, the words "Discreet Lodging," and that every room smelled of Shell No Pest Strips. Remember those nasty things? For insect infestations? Other than that, Ali's camp (which he built as a tax haven) was a delightful, rustic camp. 


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: DJ Big Jack on January 09, 2018, 10:47:39 AM
Joe, that entire area was rustic 'back in the day".   My parents had a cabin at a nearby lake .. one of about 100 cabins in the area.   Most of them had been built in the 1920s.   It's a mountainous area, with lots of small towns (my hometown of 10,000 was considered to be "big")  and either pristine forests or huge coal mines both deep mines and strip mines.  All the valleys were filled with farmlands growing wheat and corn (no soybeans in sight back then).

As long as I'm talking about that area,  if you, or anyone on the forum is a football fan,  check out the "Pottsville Maroons" .. the NFL team that arguably won the 1925 NFL Championship but was cheated out of it.   Here's a teaser about the team... "On the first snap of the game against the Chicago Bears, the Pottsville players knocked football legend Red Grange out cold. Grange soon recovered from the hit, only to be knocked out again. Immediately Grange said "The hell with (the $500 owed to him for the one game), it ain't worth it." He then proceeded to walk off the field."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottsville_Maroons (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pottsville_Maroons)


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 09, 2018, 01:20:48 PM
Jack, One of my classmates and an All American Linebacker for the University of Miami Hurricanes in the mid-60s was Ed Weisacosky from Pottsville. After graduating, he played in the NFL from 1967-72 for the Dolphins, Giants, and Patriots.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 09, 2018, 03:03:28 PM
I remember  when a reporter  asked his  trainer  Angelo  Dundee  what he thought about  Ali changing his name--  loved  his answer--" U think Dundee is my real name?" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 09, 2018, 05:26:51 PM
I remember  when a reporter  asked his  trainer  Angelo  Dundee  what he thought about  Ali changing his name--  loved  his answer--" U think Dundee is my real name?" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Good answer from Dundee. Real name: Angelo Mirena. Originally, from South Philly. Learned his trade at the legendary Stillman's Gym, a couple blocks from the old MSG on 8th Avenue & 50th St.

Started in the mid 50s as a corner man for one of my fave fighters, Carmen Basilio.   


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 09, 2018, 11:44:11 PM
I love Basilio--very  tough   guy  from  upstate NY.  Saw his fites  w/Sugar Ray w/my pop  in  pay for view  movie theaters.

His brother, Chris Dundee,  was  a promoter as I recall.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 10, 2018, 09:10:16 AM
I remember Carmen from the fights that used to be on network TV sponsored by Gillette. IIRC, had a couple memorable bouts with Gene Fullmer. Another I recall against the LA fighter, Art Aragon.

Only 5'6 or 5'7, Basilio fought as both a Welterweight and a Middleweight. Could really take a punch. Not a real powerful puncher himself; relied on lightning fast combinations.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Shandy on January 10, 2018, 02:35:01 PM
Does talking on vinyl count?  "I Love Mickey" - Teresa Brewer and Mickey Mantel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UJPmdL9T10


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 10, 2018, 03:13:10 PM
Does talking on vinyl count?  "I Love Mickey" - Teresa Brewer and Mickey Mantel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UJPmdL9T10
Do you mean Mickey Mantle?  I guess you could call him a "recording artist", as he did say something on that record.  I doubt we could call him a singer.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Shandy on January 10, 2018, 04:41:46 PM
Robb - You're in nitpicking mode, once again.  Yes, I did mean Mickey Mantle.!  Sorry that my typo caused you confusion. You should doubt using the royal term "we".


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 10, 2018, 07:46:28 PM
Robb - You're in nitpicking mode, once again.  Yes, I did mean Mickey Mantle.!  Sorry that my typo caused you confusion. You should doubt using the royal term "we".
No offence intended.  I knew it was a typo.  No New Yorker who was alive when Mickey played would misspell his name.  I just thought it was funny.  My grandmother called him "Mickey Mandel" (a "Nice Jewish Boy").  "Mandel" means "almond" in Yiddish and German.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doowopbob on January 10, 2018, 10:04:50 PM
Who's Mickey Mantle??????????


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 10, 2018, 10:53:53 PM
Knew Aragon--a bit  punchy  but nice.  Had a big  Bail  Bond  co.  next to  LA  Cty  jail-where OJ lived. Original Golden Boy--but  was  afraid of fites w/NY,Philly guys.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 11, 2018, 09:03:46 AM
Knew Aragon--a bit  punchy  but nice.  Had a big  Bail  Bond  co.  next to  LA  Cty  jail-where OJ lived. Original Golden Boy--but  was  afraid of fites w/NY,Philly guys.

He used to fight at the old Olympic Auditorium and the long-gone Hollywood Legion Stadium. Speaking of the Olympic Auditorium (wonder if it still exists?), think it also used to host R&B shows in the early to mid 1950s. Not sure where it was located although my recollection is in the neighborhood north of USC.

Aragon supposedly dated many of the most beautiful movie stars and starlets of the day. Big buddy of Audie Murphy (Audie gave him several roles in his war pictures). Been fascinated with bail bondsmen ever since the Tarantino flick "Jackie Brown." 


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 11, 2018, 11:06:12 AM
Knew Aragon--a bit  punchy  but nice.  Had a big  Bail  Bond  co.  next to  LA  Cty  jail-where OJ lived. Original Golden Boy--but  was  afraid of fites w/NY,Philly guys.

He used to fight at the old Olympic Auditorium and the long-gone Hollywood Legion Stadium. Speaking of the Olympic Auditorium (wonder if it still exists?), think it also used to host R&B shows in the early to mid 1950s. Not sure where it was located although my recollection is in the neighborhood north of USC.

Aragon supposedly dated many of the most beautiful movie stars and starlets of the day. Big buddy of Audie Murphy (Audie gave him several roles in his war pictures). Been fascinated with bail bondsmen ever since the Tarantino flick "Jackie Brown." 
It was north of USC, but also east of it, nearer to Downtown.  I think it was between Hoover and Figueroa on Washington.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 11, 2018, 02:46:17 PM
Robb, that sounds right. Probably condemned when they built the 10 Freeway through that area.

What was it, back in the day, that all these American Legion Posts had "stadiums?" There was the Hollywood Legion Stadium (originally outdoors but later with a roof over it) and the famous (to us anyway) El Monte Legion Stadium. Probably others I'd guess. Imagine they erected these places as money-makers, putting on events in them.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 11, 2018, 06:33:31 PM
Robb, that sounds right. Probably condemned when they built the 10 Freeway through that area.

What was it, back in the day, that all these American Legion Posts had "stadiums?" There was the Hollywood Legion Stadium (originally outdoors but later with a roof over it) and the famous (to us anyway) El Monte Legion Stadium. Probably others I'd guess. Imagine they erected these places as money-makers, putting on events in them.
Yes, they put on lots of shows and meetings, but also had sports events.  Isn't that where The American Legion Baseball leagues played?  A LOT of the pro baseball players played American Legion ball before.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 11, 2018, 07:21:23 PM
Here's a piece (edited for size) from the El Monte Legion Stadium website:

Art Laboe, a noted local radio disc jockey, stated simply, “Concerts started at El Monte because the laws were different in the county than they were in the City.” In particular, rules restricting underage gatherings did not exist in the county, which permitted Laboe and other disc jockeys and promoters to host rock ’n’ roll shows for teenagers. Similarly, relaxed legislation also benefited other venues, including Rainbow Gardens and the Long Beach Municipal Auditorium; the latter competed with the Legion Stadium in size and reputation.

Angelenos’ experience of life in Greater Los Angeles – a network of suburbs connected by freeways – encouraged young people to drive from their homes to county dance hall sites. Located approximately fifteen miles east of downtown Los Angeles and accessible by the main traffic arteries in the region, El Monte drew a diverse clientele from all ends of the Southland. Recalling the racial and class composition of audiences, Art Laboe commented: “White kids from Beverly Hills, black kids from Compton, and local Chicano kids used to come out to our shows every weekend.”


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Shandy on January 12, 2018, 03:21:58 PM
"Say Hey" (The Willie Mays Song) - Willie Mays and the Treniers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFT1TcT5YQo


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 12, 2018, 05:08:10 PM
"Say Hey" (The Willie Mays Song) - Willie Mays and the Treniers
The (Singing) Wanderers sang ""Say Hey!  Willie Mays" on Savoy in 1954.  But, I don't remember Willie talking or singing on that one.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: DJ Big Jack on January 12, 2018, 05:56:53 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Olympic_Auditorium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Olympic_Auditorium)


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 12, 2018, 06:17:58 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Olympic_Auditorium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Olympic_Auditorium)

Thanks Jack. Too bad they didn't get a Wiki contributor who could've listed some of the 50s R&B acts they speak of.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 12, 2018, 07:02:57 PM
Joe--Olympic  still  there  . Across  the SM FWY  from Staples.  I can correct  Robb--East of the 110, or 11(Harbor)  as it was originally. Hooover & Fig are west of the 110.

Named    for the  1932  LA  olympics.  Not sure wat used fornow.Nomusic,no sports?


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 12, 2018, 08:33:13 PM
Joe--Olympic  still  there  . Across  the SM FWY  from Staples.  I can correct  Robb--East of the 110, or 11(Harbor)  as it was originally. Hooover & Fig are west of the 110.

Named    for the  1932  LA  olympics.  Not sure wat used fornow.Nomusic,no sports?

From what Jack posted -- "In June 2005, the Glory Church of Jesus Christ, a Korean-American Christian church, purchased the entire property, thus the name Grand Olympic Auditorium ceased to exist."

Sounds like it might still be a church.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 12, 2018, 08:47:26 PM
Prob so- sounds  right.

They alsobid for Walter Ward's  group.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doowopbob on January 12, 2018, 10:38:36 PM
gelenos’ experience of life in Greater Los Angeles – a network of suburbs connected by freeways – encouraged young people to drive from their homes to county dance hall sites. Located approximately fifteen miles east of downtown Los Angeles and accessible by the main traffic arteries in the region, El Monte drew a diverse clientele from all ends of the Southland. Recalling the racial and class composition of audiences, Art Laboe commented: “White kids from Beverly Hills, black kids from Compton, and local Chicano kids used to come out to our shows every weekend.”

Of course he didn't dare say that white kids WERE NOT WELCOME at El Monte Legion Stadium!!!!!  I went twice and the second time saw a white kid make the mistake of asking a Chicana to dance and then watched in horror as he was drug out of the building covered in blood, he had crossed a line we whites weren't supposed to cross.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Shandy on January 13, 2018, 08:16:06 AM
I only know the version by The Singing Wanderers on Decca from '54, and Willie isn't on it.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 13, 2018, 12:48:13 PM
I only know the version by The Singing Wanderers on Decca from '54, and Willie isn't on it.
Yes, I forgot they were called "The Singing Wanderers" on that release.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 13, 2018, 01:03:31 PM
gelenos’ experience of life in Greater Los Angeles – a network of suburbs connected by freeways – encouraged young people to drive from their homes to county dance hall sites. Located approximately fifteen miles east of downtown Los Angeles and accessible by the main traffic arteries in the region, El Monte drew a diverse clientele from all ends of the Southland. Recalling the racial and class composition of audiences, Art Laboe commented: “White kids from Beverly Hills, black kids from Compton, and local Chicano kids used to come out to our shows every weekend.”

Of course he didn't dare say that white kids WERE NOT WELCOME at El Monte Legion Stadium!!!!!  I went twice and the second time saw a white kid make the mistake of asking a Chicana to dance and then watched in horror as he was drug out of the building covered in blood, he had crossed a line we whites weren't supposed to cross.

Interesting, Bob. Also, wasn't Compton still predominantly white back in the 50's? Changing, but still not exactly a black ghetto?


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 13, 2018, 02:00:45 PM
gelenos’ experience of life in Greater Los Angeles – a network of suburbs connected by freeways – encouraged young people to drive from their homes to county dance hall sites. Located approximately fifteen miles east of downtown Los Angeles and accessible by the main traffic arteries in the region, El Monte drew a diverse clientele from all ends of the Southland. Recalling the racial and class composition of audiences, Art Laboe commented: “White kids from Beverly Hills, black kids from Compton, and local Chicano kids used to come out to our shows every weekend.”

Of course he didn't dare say that white kids WERE NOT WELCOME at El Monte Legion Stadium!!!!!  I went twice and the second time saw a white kid make the mistake of asking a Chicana to dance and then watched in horror as he was drug out of the building covered in blood, he had crossed a line we whites weren't supposed to cross.

Interesting, Bob. Also, wasn't Compton still predominantly white back in the 50's? Changing, but still not exactly a black ghetto?
Yes, Compton was still predominantly "White" during the early '50s.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 13, 2018, 02:12:33 PM
2  most famous whites from Compton--Duke, and Pete  Rozelle.

A  fews yrs  I recall reading  wen  Compton celebrated being over 50% Hispanic.  South Central now  South La, &  Watts  (old time  65 riot etc.,) now gone. :'( :'( :'( :'(


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doowopbob on January 13, 2018, 11:20:24 PM
I attended Compton Community College as an evening student from 1973 to 1975, predominantly black.  Most evening student males were like me, using our G.I. Bill from Vietnam service, trying to better ourselves.  Not one racial incident my entire two years at the school.  My wife and young daughter bought books for me one time during the day and she was a little concerned as she and our daughter stood out like sore thumbs.  I would give Compton CC an A in their education program.  My Counselor was former L.A. Rams running back Art Perkins, what a neat guy.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 14, 2018, 02:32:06 AM
I remember  50s-60s Rams well-dont   recall Perkins.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 14, 2018, 02:29:30 PM
I remember  50s-60s Rams well-dont   recall Perkins.

Why you don't remember him is that he was a little-used fullback for only 2 seasons with The Rams (1962-1963).


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 14, 2018, 03:18:36 PM
Those  Rams sucked.    Thats  around  wen they  foolishly  got  rid  of Bill Wade  & Frank Ryan. [after Van Brocklin]  Just realized  all 3 won NFL  AFTER they left Rams.  Van in 60, Wade in 63 & Ryan in 64.  Later  60s finally better with Roman Gabriel.   

I became a Ram fan as a kid for  2 reasons--cool helmets,  and  Pacific Time  Zone.  I'd  play outside in the snow until around 5PM  wen it got dark. Then watch Ram game from  LA.

I dont recall  ever wondering  why it  was sunny & 70 degrees there and  dark & 30 degrees  at home. Just recall I liked  it. ;D ;D


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 14, 2018, 06:58:24 PM
I used to wonder about that weather, Doctor! Especially when watching the USC Song Girls in action on bright, warm sunny days in November at the Coliseum. For my money, you can keep the Dallas Cowboys cheerleaders, the Song Girls in those knit outfits still set the standard.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 15, 2018, 02:18:56 AM
Rite-Joe  why I liked SC  too.  Jaguar Jon  Arnett--dont recall  many others from then--but McKeever twins. 

Great trivia--whose HS  (ManualArts),college (SC)  and pro team (Rams)  are all within walking  distance.  Arnett-has to  be only  pro  who  has that  history.

As an early fan  I loved the single wing,  so  also liked  UCLA--beiieve  #1  in 54.  Coached by Red Sanders--who    died like Nelson  Rock==heart attack with mistress.

Just thought of another  bizarre LA  name-Cleveland.  Also  has  Wilson.  Few Adams  Jr Highs--no Jackson,  Surprised LA  has no Pierce  or Tyler. ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 15, 2018, 03:02:46 AM
Rite-Joe  why I liked SC  too.  Jaguar Jon  Arnett--dont recall  many others from then--but McKeever twins. 

Great trivia--whose HS  (ManualArts),college (SC)  and pro team (Rams)  are all within walking  distance.  Arnett-has to  be only  pro  who  has that  history.

As an early fan  I loved the single wing,  so  also liked  UCLA--beiieve  #1  in 54.  Coached by Red Sanders--who    died like Nelson  Rock==heart attack with mistress.

Just thought of another  bizarre LA  name-Cleveland.  Also  has  Wilson.  Few Adams  Jr Highs--no Jackson,  Surprised LA  has no Pierce  or Tyler. ;D ;D ;D ;D
L.A. HAD an Andrew Jackson High School from 1936 to 1981 (when it was closed down).  Part of that campus is now Sunrise Ave. Elementary School, and the rest is planned to be a new middle school.  It is located in Boyle Heights, on 7th Street 5 blocks east of Soto Street.  They also have a Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, George Washington, Grover Cleveland, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson and John C. Fremont High School.  It may not have a John Adams High School.  But it has a West Adams High School (indirectly named after him, as Adams Boulevard and the West Adams District was named after him.  It also has a Daniel Webster Middle School.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 15, 2018, 08:19:34 AM
Rite-Joe  why I liked SC  too.  Jaguar Jon  Arnett--dont recall  many others from then--but McKeever twins. 

Great trivia--whose HS  (ManualArts),college (SC)  and pro team (Rams)  are all within walking  distance.  Arnett-has to  be only  pro  who  has that  history.

As an early fan  I loved the single wing,  so  also liked  UCLA--beiieve  #1  in 54.  Coached by Red Sanders--who    died like Nelson  Rock==heart attack with mistress.

Just thought of another  bizarre LA  name-Cleveland.  Also  has  Wilson.  Few Adams  Jr Highs--no Jackson,  Surprised LA  has no Pierce  or Tyler. ;D ;D ;D ;D

Primo Villanueva -- great UCLA Single Wing TB in mid-50s. From Calexico down in the Imperial Valley. Followed by Ronnie Knox from SaMoHi and Billy Kilmer from Azusa.

The name Manual Arts HS seems to me to denote a non-college high school track/focus. With Arnett going to USC, gotta feeling I'm very wrong. ?? 


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 15, 2018, 12:31:05 PM
The name Manual Arts HS seems to me to denote a non-college high school track/focus. With Arnett going to USC, gotta feeling I'm very wrong. ?? 
Yes, Manual Arts was originally aimed towards sending students to trade schools.  But, it was a regular high school by the time Arnett attended.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 15, 2018, 01:00:10 PM
Robb, your post made me want to see the list of their notable alumni. And, man, that list is long and impressive. From a Governor of California, to actors/directors, to a WWII fighter pilot ace, to a famous painter, and pro athletes in abundance in all sports.

The "demographics" today are reportedly 82% Hispanic enrollment, 18% African American. Literally only a trace of other races.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 15, 2018, 04:31:05 PM
Dont forget  one or more Penguins.Cleve?    Joe--Manual Arts--fairly  non-competitive.

Just came out with top  25 hoop teams in Scal today.  I'll  list for you.


Bishop  Montgomery
St John Bosco
Sierra  Canyon
Rancho  christian
Etiwanda
Westchester
SAna mater Dei
Crespi
Harvard-W
Fairfax
Eastvale Roosevelt
Santa maragarita
st anthony
LosAltos
Oak  Park
St Bernard
Anaheim Canyon
Corona Centennial
Damien
Dominguez
Mayfair
JW North
Elcamino
Birmingham
Cathedral

As far  as I can tell-only Fairfax  &  Westchester only  public HS  in  LA  city  (urban  area )--El Camino &  Birmingham in SFValley. 
About 13 are  private-and many more  east of La in Riverside  area--with 4-5 million people--LA  has only  4  teams. Not sure where Mayfair is.

The CIF  foolishly allows unlimited  transfers-hence  the  relative  demise of  public schools-espLA.



Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 15, 2018, 05:37:35 PM
As you say, a lotta Catholic HS on that list. Same here in DC and Baltimore. Public HS just don't have the resources anymore, especially in football. Several DC HS gave up football because couldn't afford helmets and uniforms. Those in the poorest areas.

My son had a basketball player roommate one year at Ariz State from Etiwanda HS. Think that's somewhere out in the San Berdoo or Riverside area. 


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doowopbob on January 15, 2018, 07:00:30 PM
Etiwanda is east of Los Angeles


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 15, 2018, 07:13:56 PM
Etiwanda is east of Los Angeles

Well, that would cover Berdoo or Riverside, no?


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doowopbob on January 15, 2018, 08:07:03 PM
Yes, of course, what was I thinking


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: doctordoowop on January 15, 2018, 10:34:26 PM
Etiwanda,  Corona, Los  Altos all+  maybe a couple  more  East of LA--60-70miles.   Many  blacks have exited LA  --headed  East-1st Pomona then  farther.  I have seen those teams--pretty"athletic" --a sports code word usually for black.

All those  Cath schools  are very generous with scholarship $$$$--u have a better  chance getting a scholarship if  u can dunk & hit 3s,  sadly than  being a math-chemistry whiz.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 16, 2018, 12:35:21 AM
Dont forget  one or more Penguins.Cleve?    Joe--Manual Arts--fairly  non-competitive.

Just came out with top  25 hoop teams in Scal today.  I'll  list for you.


Bishop  Montgomery
St John Bosco
Sierra  Canyon
Rancho  christian
Etiwanda
Westchester
SAna mater Dei
Crespi
Harvard-W
Fairfax
Eastvale Roosevelt
Santa maragarita
st anthony
LosAltos
Oak  Park
St Bernard
Anaheim Canyon
Corona Centennial
Damien
Dominguez
Mayfair
JW North
Elcamino
Birmingham
Cathedral

As far  as I can tell-only Fairfax  &  Westchester only  public HS  in  LA  city  (urban  area )--El Camino &  Birmingham in SFValley. 
About 13 are  private-and many more  east of La in Riverside  area--with 4-5 million people--LA  has only  4  teams. Not sure where Mayfair is.
The CIF  foolishly allows unlimited  transfers-hence  the  relative  demise of  public schools-espLA.
Most of The San Fernando Valley is within the boundaries of The City of Los Angeles.  Only Burbank and San Fernando are not (they are separate cities). The Los Angeles City portion of The San Fernando Valley is certainly urban.So, El Camino, Birmingham, Fairfax and Westchester are all L.A. City schools.  I think Dominguez H.S. is, as well.  The demise of The Los Angeles Unified School District (and other big city districts across USA) is due to the wealthy interests desiring that education become privatised, and the upper middle and middle-middle class parents are taking their children out of big city schools and sending them to private charter schools.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: JoeC on January 16, 2018, 08:42:09 AM
Dominguez HS is on the east side of Compton. You could field an NBA All-star team with their grads.


Title: Re: Professional Athletes who were also recording artists
Post by: Robb_K on January 16, 2018, 11:30:55 PM
Dominguez HS is on the east side of Compton. You could field an NBA All-star team with their grads.
You could do the same with graduates of Compton High and Compton's Centennial High.