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 on: May 05, 2021, 10:10:41 PM 
Started by bklynmike101 - Last post by Robb_K
Quote from: bklynmike101 on May 04, 2021, 03:07:06 PM
DDW,

Everything that was "is" then is now no more.  That's not necessarily bad nor good. It's just the way things go. It's been 15 years since I last set foot within the friendly (?) confines of NYC; 20 since I last stepped inside Manhattan. I'm split between badly wanting to see it these days and thinking I'd not recognize much of it. Perhaps the train has left the station. 
I've been inside the boundaries of New York City probably over 100 times, but been there, outside an airport, only once, in 1969.  I have no wish to go there, nor any place new to me, other than to visit pen friends I've had for 10-30 years, who I have not yet visited (I have visited most of my long-time pen friends).  ALL of those I have visited have been even more of a pleasant surprise than I had expected, and we hit it off well.  And they are good friends (one level up from being "pen friends)".

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 on: May 05, 2021, 07:43:39 PM 
Started by JoeC - Last post by bklynmike101
In the late 60's in Rockaway, there was an old-time sort of everything store that had two locations about a block apart. In one, which included bicycle repair, worked a man called Lonnie who looked and sounded (spoken words heard only) liked a doppelganger for Anthony Gourdine. I always wondered.  Grin

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 on: May 05, 2021, 07:37:29 PM 
Started by doctordoowop - Last post by bklynmike101
Stanton, the consummate streak hitter, is on fire at the moment.

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 on: May 05, 2021, 03:42:23 PM 
Started by JoeC - Last post by JoeC
DoowopJoe, Enjoyed your anecdote about the "other" Mr. Doby. Maybe a distant relative?? (Larry Doby was from Paterson, NJ -- just across the river.)

Mike, Jim Hegan was the Indians starting Catcher from 1941-56 (minus the war years). Called a great game and was a fine all-round defensive catcher too.  A light hitter (.228 BA) who did have a bit of power (hit 14 HR in a season, twice).

Mike Hegan got into a WS with the Yanks in 1964 but never really produced for them. Long-time Milwaukee Brewers TV broadcaster in the 80s and 90s.

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 on: May 05, 2021, 02:26:11 PM 
Started by JoeC - Last post by bklynmike101
Quote from: JoeC on May 04, 2021, 03:55:39 PM
Quote from: bklynmike101 on May 04, 2021, 03:09:06 PM
Doby is one of many who is vastly underappreciated relative to t he numbers he put up and his overall on-field performance.    
Agree, Mike. Doby was 6 years younger than Robinson when they "integrated" the two leagues. Jackie was 28 and Larry 22. Plus, Jackie had been a pretty big name due to his football prowess at UCLA. So, Jackie was no stranger to a big stage and was much more mature.

If there was a supportive in-team relationship on the Indians for Larry, it was Bill McKechnie. McKechnie (born in 1886) was Player-Mgr Lou Boudreau's "bench coach" when Larry was signed and was particularly helpful to him. Jim Hegan and Bob Lemon were two other teammates who befriended Larry. The rest of the 1948 team pretty much were civil but kept their distance. Many of the Southerners did so for fear of the reaction when they returned home for the off-season. They weren't necessarily anti-Doby, just concerned with being labeled a "n*****-lover" back home.

Joe, much appreciated your info on Doby's integration in to the '48 Indians. Recall Hegan's '59 light blue Topps card and later his son Mike. Neither could hit much but Jim was considered a defensive stalwart - perhaps the Jeff Mathis or Martin Maldonado of his time. He had to be, in order to explain his MLB longevity.   

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 on: May 05, 2021, 08:28:12 AM 
Started by JoeC - Last post by Doowopjoe3
In approx. 1957, I had my first job in Manhattan working in a receiving department. The assistant manager was black, last name Doby. One Sunday, after he played softball in a park, he was attacked by 2 would-be muggers who perhaps did not notice he was still carrying a bat. He managed to hit and hurt both of them with the bat. When he told me the story on Monday he ended it by saying "I got a better swing than that other Doby"

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 on: May 04, 2021, 03:55:39 PM 
Started by JoeC - Last post by JoeC
Quote from: bklynmike101 on May 04, 2021, 03:09:06 PM
Doby is one of many who is vastly underappreciated relative to t he numbers he put up and his overall on-field performance.    
Agree, Mike. Doby was 6 years younger than Robinson when they "integrated" the two leagues. Jackie was 28 and Larry 22. Plus, Jackie had been a pretty big name due to his football prowess at UCLA. So, Jackie was no stranger to a big stage and was much more mature.

If there was a supportive in-team relationship on the Indians for Larry, it was Bill McKechnie. McKechnie (born in 1886) was Player-Mgr Lou Boudreau's "bench coach" when Larry was signed and was particularly helpful to him. Jim Hegan and Bob Lemon were two other teammates who befriended Larry. The rest of the 1948 team pretty much were civil but kept their distance. Many of the Southerners did so for fear of the reaction when they returned home for the off-season. They weren't necessarily anti-Doby, just concerned with being labeled a "n*****-lover" back home.

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 on: May 04, 2021, 03:09:06 PM 
Started by JoeC - Last post by bklynmike101
Doby is one of many who is vastly underappreciated relative to t he numbers he put up and his overall on-field performance.   

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 on: May 04, 2021, 03:07:06 PM 
Started by bklynmike101 - Last post by bklynmike101
DDW,

Everything that was "is" then is now no more.  That's not necessarily bad nor good. It's just the way things go. It's been 15 years since I last set foot within the friendly (?) confines of NYC; 20 since I last stepped inside Manhattan. I'm split between badly wanting to see it these days and thinking I'd not recognize much of it. Perhaps the train has left the station.     

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 on: May 04, 2021, 06:59:40 AM 
Started by JoeC - Last post by JoeC
Quote from: doctordoowop on May 03, 2021, 08:59:45 PM
Joe-Doby  seems lost to history-he did integrate the American league-was it  1948? Must have been his strange OF #--14.
Doc, agree Doby doesn't get his "due." Guess that comes with being the second guy.

I've finished the book. Couple other observations:

- One of the "souvenirs" that Bob Feller brought home from WWII was a very high resolution telescope. That scope was reportedly used by the Indians in the late 40s to steal signs (from the OF scoreboard).  Supposedly, the scope was so powerful " you could see the dirt under the catcher's nails."  So ... yet another "cheating" story from those days to go along with Sal Yvars' NY Giants revelations.

- Lastly, Doby and Paige did NOT get along at all on the Indians. Big generational divide. Doby did not appreciate Paige's "Stepin Fetchit" behavior. Was constantly trying to get Paige to drop that act and get respect.

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