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« Reply #540 on: May 14, 2018, 06:37:04 PM »

Backstrom is 1 of the league's elite playmakers. No one has more patience with the puck. Youngest Swede to ever play for National Team(18). Eller is from Denmark. Not near the playmaker Backstrom is-but more physical. Not too many Danes to really leave a strong mark on the NHL. Frans Nielsen. Who else?

There is good reason for Sweden producing a lot more NHL players than Denmark. Sweden has a large area of its country north of 60 degrees north. It also has a continental climate, with winds coming from The Arctic, Finland and Russia for much of the year. Denmark, & Norway, by contrast, enjoy warmer winds from The Atlantic Ocean Gulf Stream. Denmark is mostly further south than most of Sweden, made up of islands and peninsulas surrounded by seawater, much warmer than land in winter. So, like most of Canada, Sweden has frozen ponds for 4-7 months per year, on which kids can play for free, and hone their skills. So, Sweden has had a tradition of Bandy and Hockey playing for over 300 years, while they are not traditional games in Denmark, because it has very few lakes which freeze over for more than 2 months.  Therefore, there of few great coaches there, and few ice rinks (no outdoor rinks). Denmark's ice hockey programme is only about 40 years old, and has few excellent coaches. Traditionally, Danish players need to play during their mid and late teen years in Sweden(Swedish Elite Late and Alsvenskan), to play on a high enough level to prepare for The NHL. I know all these except Popiel, as I live part time in Herning, where The Danish National team trains, and am friendly with some workers in their training complex. My 2nd best friend in Denmark went to school with a few of their fathers. Ehlers has been plagued by nagging small injuries throughout the playoffs. The following Danish players have made The NHL:
                               Born  P    Games   G     A     Pts  
1   Frans Nielsen   1984   F   764   152   271   423      
2   Mikkel Boedker   1989   F   618   109   179   288      
3   Jannik Hansen   1986   F   626   109   147   256      
4   Lars Eller      1989 F   604   103   116   219      
5   Nikolaj Ehlers   1996   F   236   69   93   162      
6   Peter Regin   1986   F   243   23   44   67      
7   Oliver Bjorkstrand 1995F   120   21   40   61   
8   Poul Popiel             1943D   225   13   41   54      
9   Philip Larsen    1984D   151   9   28   37      
10   Frederik Andersen1989G   257   0   7   7      
11   Nicklas Jensen   1993   F   31   3   3   6      
12   Oliver Lauridsen   1989   D   16   2   1   3   


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« Reply #541 on: May 14, 2018, 11:04:27 PM »

Robb-no disrespect-but was all that  of he top  of your head.  Amazing..
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« Reply #542 on: May 14, 2018, 11:50:12 PM »

Robb-no disrespect-but was all that  of he top  of your head.  Amazing..
Everything but the statistics (Which, I, of course, looked up), and I forgot Peter Regin (but, of course, knew of him, and remember him).  Goalie, Fredrik Andersen, Lars Eller, Mikkel Boedker, Hansen, Ehlers, Bjoerkstrand, Jensen, Larsen, Hansen, Lauridsen are all good, young players, trained in Sweden.  But, of course, Sweden has many, many times more skaters, and so, many, many more chances to produce NHL stars.  Eller's father is Denmark's national team's coach.  I pay a lot of attention to The Swedish Elite League and The Alsvenskan, as well as International Hockey tournaments and national teams. 
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« Reply #543 on: May 16, 2018, 08:12:15 PM »

Anyone catch the "Intro" to the VGK-Winnipeg game tonight? Lights darkened, some guy with a sword representing the Jets skates out, then the Vegas Golden Knight mascot. They proceed to fight with the Knight vanquishing the poor Jet. Then, a huge light show in the rafters!! Don't know if a hockey games or Vegas floor show is about to break out.
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« Reply #544 on: May 17, 2018, 01:19:53 AM »

Anyone catch the "Intro" to the VGK-Winnipeg game tonight? Lights darkened, some guy with a sword representing the Jets skates out, then the Vegas Golden Knight mascot. They proceed to fight with the Knight vanquishing the poor Jet. Then, a huge light show in the rafters!! Don't know if a hockey games or Vegas floor show is about to break out.

I didn't see that, but I saw the unfortunate Winnipeg loss.
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« Reply #545 on: May 17, 2018, 09:04:07 AM »

Yeah, thought the Jets were gonna come back in the 3rd period. They had the best of it the last half of the game but ...

How does a player like Marchessault go completely undrafted? I mean, he had a very good career in the QMJHL with the Remparts. I know he's small but he actually won the award for the best defensive player in the QMJHL one year. I mean, there's over 200 players selected and he wasn't worth even a 7th round pick!
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« Reply #546 on: May 17, 2018, 02:32:18 PM »

Yeah, thought the Jets were gonna come back in the 3rd period. They had the best of it the last half of the game but ...

How does a player like Marchessault go completely undrafted? I mean, he had a very good career in the QMJHL with the Remparts. I know he's small but he actually won the award for the best defensive player in the QMJHL one year. I mean, there's over 200 players selected and he wasn't worth even a 7th round pick!

Yes.  He should have been drafted in the 3rd or 4th Round.  He is small, but has good skill. 
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« Reply #547 on: May 17, 2018, 05:10:43 PM »

Yeah, thought the Jets were gonna come back in the 3rd period. They had the best of it the last half of the game but ...

How does a player like Marchessault go completely undrafted? I mean, he had a very good career in the QMJHL with the Remparts. I know he's small but he actually won the award for the best defensive player in the QMJHL one year. I mean, there's over 200 players selected and he wasn't worth even a 7th round pick!

Yes.  He should have been drafted in the 3rd or 4th Round.  He is small, but has good skill. 

All GMs make mistakes, in all sports. Over time, though, how many undersized but quick, skilled players from Quebec have panned out?

Just a few other undrafted players looking back over time (I obviously looked this up): Goalies - Eddie Belfour, Glenn Healy, CuJo, Chico Resch   Skaters - Martin St-Louis, Dino Ciccarelli, Geoff Courtnall, Tim Kerr, Joe Mullen, Adam Oates

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« Reply #548 on: May 17, 2018, 05:23:25 PM »

Postgame show--Milbury  called Vegas  Las  Vegas--it may be the  only  team  that  has  an abbreviated official  location.  Ie,  Vegas NOT Las Vegas.

I didn't   look it up. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #549 on: May 21, 2018, 11:01:01 AM »

I'm so happy for those long-suffering Vegas fans!
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« Reply #550 on: May 21, 2018, 02:05:55 PM »

Robb's worst nitemare--Vegas v Tampa?
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« Reply #551 on: May 21, 2018, 06:57:17 PM »

Robb's worst nitemare--Vegas v Tampa?

It could be worse. Cairo vs. Calcutta!   Cry
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« Reply #552 on: May 21, 2018, 07:23:00 PM »

Prior to the expansion draft, the Caps had to choose from Lars Eller, Tom Wilson, or Nate Schmidt to expose to the draft. Killed me to lose the former Minnesota Golden Gopher Schmidt but I understood protecting the other two given that the Caps have more depth coming up on defense. The way Schmidt has played for Vegas, though, I'm really having second thoughts.

I couldn't stand George McPhee when he was the Caps GM for many years but gotta give him his due with Vegas. He's another of those former Guelph players who made it to the league with the NY Rangers.

Caps-Lightning - GAME 7 Weds nite in Tampa. Whichever team goes to Cup finals, just have a feeling it's Vegas's year.
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« Reply #553 on: May 22, 2018, 11:24:32 PM »

Read in LA  Times  the  silly  comment --Vegas  is   1st  expansion  team to  go  to Stanley  Cup in 1st year since the Blues in 1967. Technically true,but  the history was omitted.
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« Reply #554 on: May 23, 2018, 11:21:26 AM »

DDW,

I caught that too. I'm always both amused and peeved when I see a silly, misleading "fact" (usually sports) in a normally reliable publication. I saw a piece somewhere - perhaps in that same LAT article and perhaps not - stating Knights appearance in finals was first by an NHL expansion team since both the '66-67 Blues and '17-18 Toronto St. Pats. (aka Arena's). Really?  Captain Obvious would know that there has to be a first finalist in a league's (or division's) 1st year of operations - no?

Clearly, Knights are the '"first" (with any significance).

I'm not a Knights fan per se, nor a Las Vegas person, but what the team has done, new draft rules and all, is still remarkable. 
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« Reply #555 on: May 23, 2018, 11:18:06 PM »

mike--biggest  reason  for Vegas success is   the  "hard"  salary cap --no?
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« Reply #556 on: May 24, 2018, 08:09:31 AM »

In opening odds, Vegas GK given 65 percent chance over Capitals to win Stanley Cup. Same odds TB Lightning were given to win Game 7 last night.
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« Reply #557 on: May 24, 2018, 12:24:49 PM »

Robb, last week Caps fans and local media calling for Barry Trotz to be fired. Of course, now he is the toast of Washington, DC. Story told in today's paper about his growing up in Dauphin, Manitoba. Are you familiar with the place? Trotz played his Junior hockey for the Dauphin Kings.

Apparently, he never played a minute in the NHL. Played a couple seasons in the WHL for the Regina Pats.

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« Reply #558 on: May 24, 2018, 07:43:20 PM »

Robb, last week Caps fans and local media calling for Barry Trotz to be fired. Of course, now he is the toast of Washington, DC. Story told in today's paper about his growing up in Dauphin, Manitoba. Are you familiar with the place? Trotz played his Junior hockey for the Dauphin Kings.

Apparently, he never played a minute in the NHL. Played a couple seasons in the WHL for the Regina Pats.

Of course, I'm familiar with Dauphin.  Its a town northwest of Winnipeg, which was almost half Ukrainian.  Several very good hockey players came from there.
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« Reply #559 on: May 24, 2018, 08:41:46 PM »

Robb, last week Caps fans and local media calling for Barry Trotz to be fired. Of course, now he is the toast of Washington, DC. Story told in today's paper about his growing up in Dauphin, Manitoba. Are you familiar with the place? Trotz played his Junior hockey for the Dauphin Kings.

Apparently, he never played a minute in the NHL. Played a couple seasons in the WHL for the Regina Pats.

Of course, I'm familiar with Dauphin.  Its a town northwest of Winnipeg, which was almost half Ukrainian.  Several very good hockey players came from there.

Apparently, some curlers too. Figured you'd be familiar with Dauphin (although I knew Manitoba covers a lot of land with some remote places up north). Would you say most of the province's population lives within 100 miles or so of Winnipeg?
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« Reply #560 on: May 24, 2018, 09:58:08 PM »

Robb, last week Caps fans and local media calling for Barry Trotz to be fired. Of course, now he is the toast of Washington, DC. Story told in today's paper about his growing up in Dauphin, Manitoba. Are you familiar with the place? Trotz played his Junior hockey for the Dauphin Kings.

Apparently, he never played a minute in the NHL. Played a couple seasons in the WHL for the Regina Pats.

Of course, I'm familiar with Dauphin.  Its a town northwest of Winnipeg, which was almost half Ukrainian.  Several very good hockey players came from there.

Apparently, some curlers too. Figured you'd be familiar with Dauphin (although I knew Manitoba covers a lot of land with some remote places up north). Would you say most of the province's population lives within 100 miles or so of Winnipeg?

Yes.  The North has only a few small towns.
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« Reply #561 on: Today at 08:15:41 AM »

Looked at a map. Manitoba sure has a lot of lakes! Big ones too!

Saw a "ranking" of NHL players from Manitoba. Ranking was offensively-oriented but Top 3 players were :

1, Bobby Clarke
2. Andy Bathgate
3. Butch Goring

I'd forgotten that Bobby Clarke was diagnosed with Type 1 Diabetes as a very young teenager.
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