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« Reply #240 on: April 09, 2018, 02:20:48 PM »

Re:   Bouchee--think  I'll  ask  Lance Rentzel. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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« Reply #241 on: April 09, 2018, 04:40:03 PM »

I know Bouchee did not do any time. Did Lance? I guess that was par for the course in the 50s and 60s. What happens to guys caught for indecent exposure today? Same, i.e., probation and a couple months of "in-house" mental health counseling?
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« Reply #242 on: April 09, 2018, 05:28:21 PM »

Joe--the 1st  time--probation  etc.  BUT  with highy recidivistic crimes-this & shoplifting -- second arrest could  be a felony--state prison.  But it is often   reduced  so  usually  just 6 mos or less jail.

Dont  think  Lance  Heatherton Grin Grin Grin Grin  did any time, but  was out of NFL.
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« Reply #243 on: April 09, 2018, 10:10:43 PM »

How wrong I was! Grin Grin Grin

Ohtani  is 1st player  since  Ruth  in 1919 to start and hit a HR  &  win a srart in 1st  10  games.  BUT  hes DH--so  no  field.


Now  maybe Stanton will be the next Ed Whitson.  I did predict   a few  weeks ago  he would be DL  after 30 games. Let's  see. Maybe  on D  for  depression.
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« Reply #244 on: April 10, 2018, 07:46:13 AM »

How wrong I was! Grin Grin Grin

Ohtani  is 1st player  since  Ruth  in 1919 to start and hit a HR  &  win a srart in 1st  10  games.  BUT  hes DH--so  no  field.


Now  maybe Stanton will be the next Ed Whitson.  I did predict   a few  weeks ago  he would be DL  after 30 games. Let's  see. Maybe  on D  for  depression.

Stanton was streaky with Miami so he'll probably turn it around. Teixeira was another huge NYY acquisition who never did reach the level of hype he rec'd when signing. Then, there's Ellsbury's contract! Thing is, NYY can absorb those bad contracts; others can't (well, maybe the Dodgers).
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« Reply #245 on: April 10, 2018, 11:24:01 AM »

Some recent contract busts that come immediately to mind - Josh Hamilton and Carl Pavano. Maybe David Wright too. I'm sure there are many others. 
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« Reply #246 on: April 10, 2018, 12:02:00 PM »

There's flat out busts where a team really gets nothing on the field for the high-priced acquisition. Then, more commonly, where the player just doesn't live up to maybe what were always unrealistic expectations. Teixeira was in the latter category. Even a great player like Albert Pujols. Was Ken Griffey, Jr ever really as good for Cincinnati as he was for Seattle? Not even close.
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« Reply #247 on: April 10, 2018, 10:23:17 PM »

Pablo Sandoval &   Mo  Vaughn  --tough  to  be  bigger  busts.
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« Reply #248 on: April 11, 2018, 07:43:06 AM »

Denny McLain acquired by the Senators in the late 60s. Had nothing left. Frank Howard, on the other hand, came pretty cheap and turned out to have much more to offer than he was able to sporadically show with LA.
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« Reply #249 on: April 20, 2018, 11:33:34 PM »

Joe--Osteen  was  a big  help to  63,65, & 66  Dodgers.   He was 3rd  behind  Sandy  &  Don.

I batted against  him in BP--swung & missed 15 times  &  gave up. His ball  had a very  tough natural spin.

How things  have  changed-- Until  this  week only ONE  Red  Sox  had    TWO  3  HR  games--of course  Teddy Ballgame.   

Add Mookie  Betts  to the list--wha? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin  Just a matter of time--he'll  beat Ted. Cry Cry Cry Cry
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« Reply #250 on: April 21, 2018, 07:22:38 AM »

Joe--Osteen  was  a big  help to  63,65, & 66  Dodgers.   He was 3rd  behind  Sandy  &  Don.

I batted against  him in BP--swung & missed 15 times  &  gave up. His ball  had a very  tough natural spin.

How things  have  changed-- Until  this  week only ONE  Red  Sox  had    TWO  3  HR  games--of course  Teddy Ballgame.   

Add Mookie  Betts  to the list--wha? Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin  Just a matter of time--he'll  beat Ted. Cry Cry Cry Cry

Osteen was really good but ... he did nothing for attendance in DC. That 1964 trade was:

Dodgers got Osteen and utility Inf John Kennedy plus $100,000

Senators got Frank Howard (10 HR in 20 AB in 1968, 40+ Hr a year, huge attendance draw), 3B Ken McMullen (a solid starter for years), P Pete Richert (became Senators ace), P Phil Ortega, and PH Dick Nen.

LA could afford to give away a lot and get the pitching "piece" they needed. Senators needed volume.  As trades go, they got a pretty darn good haul. Richert won as many games in DC as Osteen ever had on a bad team. Senators, under Ted Williams, actually were 86-76 in 1969, only winning record of decade for them. That '64 trade was the foundation (along with the one good year 1B Mike Epstein ever had).
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« Reply #251 on: April 22, 2018, 11:12:32 PM »

Wash did well  but  w/o Osteen  LA  wouldNOT  have won  in 63,65,  or 66.

Another  Bob Horner moment.    Brandon Belt   just  was   up for 21 pitches  in one AB.   WOW -- most pitches   in 150 yrs & all the greats.
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« Reply #252 on: April 23, 2018, 07:27:16 AM »

Wash did well  but  w/o Osteen  LA  wouldNOT  have won  in 63,65,  or 66.

Another  Bob Horner moment.    Brandon Belt   just  was   up for 21 pitches  in one AB.   WOW -- most pitches   in 150 yrs & all the greats.

What did they say the AB took in terms of time -- almost 13 minutes? Amazing.
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« Reply #253 on: April 23, 2018, 11:33:38 AM »

Joe--sorry  .Stat  only kept since 1988.  Still  amazing.     Figure Fox,Yost & many other greats beat it.
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« Reply #254 on: April 23, 2018, 01:04:44 PM »

Maybe but ... that's a lot of pitches to foul off in any era. Apparently, Ricky Gutierrez had the previous record of 20.
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« Reply #255 on: April 23, 2018, 09:56:17 PM »

Joe--sorry  .Stat  only kept since 1988.  Still  amazing.     Figure Fox,Yost & many other greats beat it.
Imagine how many Ty Cobb, George Sisler, Rogers Hornsby, Big Ed Delahanty, Wee Willie Keeler, Hugh Duffy, and all the other good hitters during the times before MLB started tabulating that statistic.  During my time as a fan, I remember reading (in the early 1950s) that Charley Gheringer fouled off 19 in a row, and that that was the record at the time.  So, I guess Gheringer, depending on how many balls he took, had somewhere between 21 and 24 pitches in that at bat (which might have been, but isn't necessarily the record.
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« Reply #256 on: April 23, 2018, 11:16:47 PM »

Agree Robb--certainly  ironic    that  a mediocre hitter  like Belt  did  it.   Assuming  3-2 count  before fouls start--thats  16-17  fouls-certainly amazing.
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« Reply #257 on: April 24, 2018, 06:41:30 AM »

Wish more guys would "choke up" on the bat with two strikes (like Nellie Fox and all those old time hitters). The Orioles lead the majors with almost 30% of their outs coming via strikeout! I don't watch/go to games to see players strike out. I want to see the ball in play.
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« Reply #258 on: April 25, 2018, 01:35:38 AM »

Things have  changed--no squeezes,  SBs,   pitchers  go 6,  & in hoops teams take 50 3s per game. 

Didn't  Senators  Tom Cheney  once go  21innings?  Amazing.
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« Reply #259 on: April 25, 2018, 06:53:43 AM »

Cheney, in 1962, struck our 21 Orioles in a 16 inning complete game that he pitched. Senators won, 2-1. Per Baseball Ref: Cheney gave up 10 hits in the 16 innings and walked four. Get this! He threw 228 pitches, mostly curve balls.  The long-forgotten Senators 1B Bud Zipfel, went 3-7 and drove in both Washington runs. Charlie Lau, O's Catcher, drove in the Baltimore run.

Here's another sign of major change. As late as 1971, most of us know I'm sure that the entire Orioles starting staff (Palmer, Dobson, Cuellar and McNally) all won 20 or more games. Each one threw between 226-294 innings.
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