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JoeC
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« on: October 30, 2019, 01:30:39 PM »

To my adopted home town Washington Nationals (playing Game 7 tonight in Houston).

Last time in a World Series for Washington was 1933, when the NY Giants beat them, 4 games to 1.

For old time aficionados, here's the Washington position lineup. Check out the relative diminutive size of the players (especially the Infielders), and their salaries (a 1933 dollar is worth roughly $19 today). So Joe Cronin, the highest paid Senator, was making $342,000 in today's money. Even the lowest paid starting player was making about $125,000 in 2019 money. Not THAT bad.

C- Luke Sewell  5'9 160  $8,000
1B - Joe Kuhel  6' 180  $7,200
2B - Buddy Myer  5'10 163  $8,000
SS- Joe Cronin  5'11 180  $18,000
3B - Ossie Bluege  5'11 162  $7,500
LF - Heinie Manush  6'1 200  $11,500
CF- Fred Schulte  6'1 183  $6,500
RF - Goose Goslin  5'11 185  $11,000

Stars on the victorious 1933 NY Giants team were Bill Terry and Mel Ott. Future great managers Paul Richards and Chuck Dressen rode the pine. Top pitchers were Carl Hubbell, Hal Schumacher, Freddie Fitzsimmons and Roy Parmalee. The Giants pitching was, I think, the difference. 
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« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2019, 01:16:46 PM »

The Nationals were a nice story this year. I wonder how many teams have played in the World Series representing both leagues. Also the 86 year interval seems like it must be one of the longest times between appearances.
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« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2019, 01:25:00 PM »

I've seen many WS in my 76 years and the more I've seen, the more I think "luck" or "fate" plays a role. A few more inches to the right and Kendrick's deciding Game 7 HR is a foul ball. Before that Soto, who is a poor defensive OF, catches that shoe top line drive, cutting off a bigger Astros rally.

That, btw, reminded me of the '69 NY Mets first championship with slow Ron Swoboda making that great grab in RF off Brooks Robinson's sinking liner in the 9th inning of Game 4 (he hadn't even played in the NL CS against the Cubs, to get the Mets to the WS). Or, Billly Martin getting -- what was it -- 12 hits in one of the NYY Series against Bklyn. What were the odds?
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2019, 02:00:24 PM »

The Nationals were a nice story this year. I wonder how many teams have played in the World Series representing both leagues. Also the 86 year interval seems like it must be one of the longest times between appearances.

Although a Washington franchise appeared in the WS in 1933, that team, now the Minnesota Twins, has no relationship to the current Washington Nationals franchise which was born as the Montreal Expos in 1969. So, although a Washington franchise had not won a WS since 1924, nor appeared in one since 1933, the 2019 WS winning Washington Nationals are a distinct "new" baseball team formed in 1969.  The 1924/33 Washington Senators were indeed in the AL. But the 2019 NL Washington Nationals victory does not represent a team that appeared in the WS representing both leagues.     
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« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2019, 09:36:11 PM »

The 69  Mets were  ridiculous--Weis HR,  Shamsky, Agee's  fantastic   catches,  Boswell,  Charles etc. Many never heard  from again.
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2019, 07:57:21 PM »

It was - in a word amazin'. Somehow it just all came together for them ("us") that year. The Miracle Mets.  A lot of good fortune. Grote-Clink Clendennon-Ed The Glider Charles-Agee-Cleon Jones-Shamsky-Swoboda-Weis-Kranepool-Bud Harrelson-Tom Terrific Seaver-Koosman-Ron Taylor-Ya Gotta Believe McGraw, and more.

In a remarkable feat, in the last game of the WS, my 100 or so freshman college science classmates and I managed to convince our normally unwavering prof. to pipe in the game on the TV monitor in the classroom. We had to promise to "pay attention" once the game ended (too much noise from the hidden transistor radios for him to continue).   
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2019, 10:39:10 PM »

Dont  forget Gary Gentry.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2019, 10:51:09 PM »

The Nationals were a nice story this year. I wonder how many teams have played in the World Series representing both leagues. Also the 86 year interval seems like it must be one of the longest times between appearances.
As stated above, they are not the same team.  The first Washington Nationals in The National League dropped out of that league afterb the 1899 season.  So they didn't exist while The World Series existed. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2019, 02:36:02 PM »

Thanks for all the notice on Washington. I should have remember the move to the Twins!

In looking thru the answers, I didn't see a positive answer. So no team has changed leagues and gone to the WS from both leagues?

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« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2019, 05:01:49 PM »

Thanks for all the notice on Washington. I should have remember the move to the Twins!

In looking thru the answers, I didn't see a positive answer. So no team has changed leagues and gone to the WS from both leagues?

JP
I haven't even heard a word about Baseball since the 1870s, other than hearing that The Cubs finally won another pennant since 1945, and won The World Series - I remember that occurred sometime after 2000, but no idea what year.  I was also told that The Houston Astros moved from The National League to The American League, but have no idea when that happened. That's the only instance I can remember of a team changing leagues both in The Majors, since 4 teams from the Defunct American Association joined The National League in 1892.  So, I guess that unless The Astros have won The American League pennant, no team has done what you asked with both championships occurring after 1900. The St. Louis Browns of The American Association transferred to The National League in 1892.  And after a team name change (same franchise, but new owners), won The National League pennant in 1926 and many years after, and went on to win several World Series.  I seem to remember that The Old Browns of The Old Major League AA  won a  "World Championship Series" vs.  The Chicago White Stockings of The NL, in 1885 and/or 1886.
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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2019, 02:39:00 PM »

The current Milwaukee Brewers of the NL were traded from the AL a few years back. I can't say why, but I don't like it when teams change leagues.
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« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2019, 05:11:45 PM »

The current Milwaukee Brewers of the NL were traded from the AL a few years back. I can't say why, but I don't like it when teams change leagues.

I think that problem started when The AL expanded by adding 2 more teams, but The NL didn't follow suit.  It was awkward having one league bigger than the other.  That hadn't existed since the 1880s .
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« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2019, 05:22:43 PM »

Geography also plays a part.

I know, with the current Washington Nationals, the city had to wait until a National League opportunity arose (even though DC had always historically been associated in the 20th Century with the American League). No way was the Baltimore Orioles owner going to let another AL team compete with the Orioles from only 35 miles away. This, despite the Griffith family magnanimously allowing the Browns to move to Baltimore and encroach on their "territory" in 1954.
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