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« on: January 27, 2021, 09:48:02 AM »

1. Two part question:

a. What visiting team Outfielder (btw, a Cincinnati native) hit the longest HR in the history of Crosley Field? It cleared the 58 foot scoreboard in left center. A true tape measure shot that got national press due to its length.

b. What Reds starter gave up the HR? He had won 22 games at age 23 two years earlier.

2. How many games did it take for the Reds to win the notorious 1919 WS?

3. How old was Joe Nuxhall when he debuted and how many innings did he last?

4. Name the Reds first league MVP.

5. Who were the two key acquisitions the Reds made a few months prior to their 1961 season success? One was a Right Hander from the Braves, the other a 3B  from the White Sox. Both played key roles in 1961.

6. I'm thinking of a Right Handed pitcher who came up in 1954 with the Cards, later pitched for the Reds. Didn't reach the majors until age 29 but became an All Star. Particularly colorful 1955 Bowman (the TV Set series) baseball card.

7. Reds IF who was 1954 league MVP runner-up, hit over .300 seven times, great fielder. Hailed from the Chicago metro area.
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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2021, 11:55:31 AM »

1b. Jim Maloney (wild guess)? Bob Purkey (alternate guess)?
2. Six (I think)
3. Nuxhall was 15. 1944. Maybe 2/3 of an inning
4. Only one I can think of is Frank Robinson although that's probably too recent to be correct.
5. Joey Jay and Gene Freese
6.  Brooks Lawrence (wild guess)?
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2021, 12:41:55 PM »

Mike,

2. Clarification/Rephrase: How many games did the 1919 Series go to produce the Reds as winners? 6 is not correct, either way you might've taken my question.
 
3. Correct. Joe Nuxhall didn't make it out of the first inning. How many outs he got, I don't know.

5. Correct on Jay and Freese. Jay went 21-10, and Freese hit .277 with 26 HR.

6. Brooks Lawrence is correct. He won 19 in 1956 and 16 in 1957 for Cincinnati.
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« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2021, 10:03:09 PM »

So ... still have Questions 1 a and b, 2, 4, and 7 to be answered.
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« Reply #4 on: January 27, 2021, 10:12:50 PM »

1. Two part question:

a. What visiting team Outfielder (btw, a Cincinnati native) hit the longest HR in the history of Crosley Field? It cleared the 58 foot scoreboard in left center. A true tape measure shot that got national press due to its length.

b. What Reds starter gave up the HR? He had won 22 games at age 23 two years earlier.

That has to be Sammy Ellis because all the other 20+ game winners Maloney, Jay, Brosnan, Purkey, O'Toole, were too old to have been 23 in 1965.

As for the HR Hitter, I can't remember a non- Red who had power, didn't play for The Reds in 1967, but came from Cincinnati.  And 1967 is after I stopped following Baseball.  So, I have no chance unless I get more clues about the player.




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« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2021, 08:14:01 AM »

Robb,

You correctly answered #2 (1919 Series length), #4 (Ernie Lombardi), and #7 (Big Klu).

Some clues on the multi-part question that is still outstanding!

1a. Happened in 1967. Never a high average hitter, he had power. Played 15 yrs in the majors after coming up in 1963 (first full season was 1965, where he hit .275, his highest BA of career).  I'll post a YT video of the famous HR after someone gets the answer.

1b. Won 22 games one season for the Reds'; lost 19 the very next year.

Odds and ends:

- Not 100% sure, but think Nuxhall was knocked out in the 1st inning.

- Lombardi won MVP in '38. Bill Lee, Arky Vaughn and Mel Ott were the next three vote-getters. Ernie led the league in BA with .342.
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« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2021, 12:18:00 PM »

Looked it up to confirm. My recollection (from baseball cards) that Nuxhall pitched 2/3 of an inning in '44 is correct.
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« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2021, 02:03:58 PM »

Looked it up to confirm. My recollection (from baseball cards) that Nuxhall pitched 2/3 of an inning in '44 is correct.
That jibed with my understanding as well. I mean, the kid would've been what, a Sophomore in High School?
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« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2021, 02:36:38 PM »


1a. Happened in 1967. Never a high average hitter, he had power. Played 15 yrs in the majors after coming up in 1963 (first full season was 1965, where he hit .275, his highest BA of career).  I'll post a YT video of the famous HR after someone gets the answer.

1b. Won 22 games one season for the Reds'; lost 19 the very next year.

Last clues on Question #1. Answer tomorrow if no more guesses today.

1a. The HR hitter I'm looking for was:
   - Just 5'9 in height
   - Died in March 2020 at age 78
   - 3x All-Star; hit 30 HR or more twice (high season was 37 HR, good for 2nd in NL in 1967)
   - Played in a pitcher-friendly home park

1b. The Pitcher who gave up the prodigious HR shot:
   - NYY Pitching Coach in the early to mid 80s (4-5 seasons)
   - Also Pitching Coach for the White Sox, Cubs, Seattle, Boston, Baltimore and the Reds
   - 22-10 for the Reds in 1965 with 15 Complete Games and 263 IP
  
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« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2021, 06:05:58 PM »


1a. Happened in 1967. Never a high average hitter, he had power. Played 15 yrs in the majors after coming up in 1963 (first full season was 1965, where he hit .275, his highest BA of career).  I'll post a YT video of the famous HR after someone gets the answer.

1b. Won 22 games one season for the Reds'; lost 19 the very next year.

Last clues on Question #1. Answer tomorrow if no more guesses today.

1a. The HR hitter I'm looking for was:
   - Just 5'9 in height
   - Died in March 2020 at age 78
   - 3x All-Star; hit 30 HR or more twice (high season was 37 HR, good for 2nd in NL in 1967)
   - Played in a pitcher-friendly home park

1b. The Pitcher who gave up the prodigious HR shot:
   - NYY Pitching Coach in the early to mid 80s (4-5 seasons)
   - Also Pitching Coach for the White Sox, Cubs, Seattle, Boston, Baltimore and the Reds
   - 22-10 for the Reds in 1965 with 15 Complete Games and 263 IP
  
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1a)  Is it Jimmy Wynn of The Astros?

1b)  I answered Sammy Ellis above.  It isn't him?
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« Reply #10 on: January 28, 2021, 06:30:32 PM »

Yes, those are the players -- Wynn and Elliis!

Here's a short (34 second) YouTube video with the tape measure HR. Wonder who the play by play guy is? Maybe Nuxhall? Gene Elston (Astros main Play by Play guy)?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ2fs9p-J3s
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2021, 01:48:24 AM »

Yes, those are the players -- Wynn and Elliis!

Here's a short (34 second) YouTube video with the tape measure HR. Wonder who the play by play guy is? Maybe Nuxhall? Gene Elston (Astros main Play by Play guy)?
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ2fs9p-J3s

That didn't sound to me like Nuxhall.
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« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2021, 06:14:20 PM »

Adam Dunn  only player to hit one into Ohio  River  in their new park.off Jose Liima. I saw it.
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« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2021, 06:57:12 PM »

The Astrodome was a notoriously difficult place to hit HRs. Wonder how many Jimmy Wynn would've hit had he played at Wrigley, or in Atlanta?

Quick Houston Colt 45 trivia (1962-64):

1. Who was Houston's #1 pick in the 1961 Expansion Draft? An infielder.

2. Who was the leading HR hitter and had the highest BA for Colt 45s in 1962? An OF.

3. What 1963 Colt 45 pitcher threw the first no-hitter by an expansion club?

4. Who stated at 2B for the 1964 Colt 45s? A 17 yr vet at that point in time.

5. Who won 35 games for the Colt 45s over the 1962-63-64 seasons?
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2021, 02:04:05 AM »

The Astrodome was a notoriously difficult place to hit HRs. Wonder how many Jimmy Wynn would've hit had he played at Wrigley, or in Atlanta?

Quick Houston Colt 45 trivia (1962-64):

1. Who was Houston's #1 pick in the 1961 Expansion Draft? An infielder.

2. Who was the leading HR hitter and had the highest BA for Colt 45s in 1962? An OF.

3. What 1963 Colt 45 pitcher threw the first no-hitter by an expansion club?

4. Who started at 2B for the 1964 Colt 45s? A 17 yr vet at that point in time.

5. Who won 35 games for the Colt 45s over the 1962-63-64 seasons?  

Good thing you kept this quiz to 1964.  I don't think I could answer any question about a year after 1965.

1) I would guess a young player.  Infielder.....  Bob Aspromonte?  He was supposed to be a pretty highly touted prospect.  Norm Larker was a great hitter with The Dodgers.  It could have been him.  But, I'll go with Aspromonte.  But Larker was over 30.  A new team builds with youth.

2) Roman Mejias was their first "star", and only power hitter.

3) I remember them having a pitcher throw a no-hitter.  But, I can't remember who it was.

4) Nellie Fox!  It hurt his average VERY badly to play there at his advanced, slower age.  They had lots of room down both lines to foul out, and a deep outfield.

5) Dick Farrell wqas their first "ace".  Ken Johnson and Bob Bruce were good too.  Actually, they had pretty good pitching for an expansion team.  I'll guess Farrell.

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« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2021, 09:19:56 AM »

Robb,

You meant my keeping the quiz to 1964!!

#2, 4 and 5 are correct!

Clues for Question #1:

- The #1 expansion pick of the 45s was indeed an IF. He wasn't young (turned 30 in May of the team's first season). He came up in 1956 with the NY Giants. An LA native, he went to George Washington HS (between Western & Normandie @ W. 108thSt). Alma mater of Gil Garcetti, Leave It To Beaver mom Barbara Billingsley, Surf guitarist Dick Dale, and Hugh McElhenny, former SF 49s star RB of the 50s.

Clues for #3:

- This no-hit game pitcher came up with the Milwaukee Braves in 1960. He was 9-9 for the Braves in 1960/61/62. Went 11-8 with a 3.17 ERA for Colt 45s in 1963. In addition to the Braves and Colt 45s, had brief stints with the Reds, NYY, and Cubs.  His May 1963 no-hitter featured an unearned run (final score, 4-1 against the Phillies).

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« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2021, 01:04:05 PM »

Robb,

You meant my keeping the quiz to 1964!!

#2, 4 and 5 are correct!

Clues for Question #1:

- The #1 expansion pick of the 45s was indeed an IF. He wasn't young (turned 30 in May of the team's first season). He came up in 1956 with the NY Giants. An LA native, he went to George Washington HS (between Western & Normandie @ W. 108thSt). Alma mater of Gil Garcetti, Leave It To Beaver mom Barbara Billingsley, Surf guitarist Dick Dale, and Hugh McElhenny, former SF 49s star RB of the 50s.

Clues for #3:

- This no-hit game pitcher came up with the Milwaukee Braves in 1960. He was 9-9 for the Braves in 1960/61/62. Went 11-8 with a 3.17 ERA for Colt 45s in 1963. In addition to the Braves and Colt 45s, had brief stints with the Reds, NYY, and Cubs.  His May 1963 no-hitter featured an unearned run (final score, 4-1 against the Phillies).

The infielder was JoeyAmalfitano

The only pitcher that could possibly fit your description is Don Nottebart.  Was HE the no-hit pitcher?  His name doesn't connect to the no-hit game for me.
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« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2021, 01:31:40 PM »

Nottebart was indeed the first Expansion Team pitcher to throw a no-hitter. Carl Warwick went 4-4 for Houston in that game. I don't recall him at all!

Amalfitano is not correct -- although a VERY good guess.  I honestly thought this player had played with the Colt 45s but on doing further research, he did not! That makes this a "trick" question and one I now regret asking! It remains true that he WAS the #1 choice in the Expansion Draft but the Colt 45s only took him because they already had a trade set up with the Boston Red Sox for Don Buddin. SS for SS.

Since we've gone this far --- he played from 1956 through 1961 with the NY/SF Giants, playing anywhere from a low of 49 to a high of 116 games in a season for the Giants. Most of those games would've been behind Spencer and Pagan, I'd say. Interestingly enough, the player had only hit 26 HR in 6 seasons with the Giants; in only 4 seasons in Boston, he hit 57 (with a high of 20 in 1963). A story of the Wind and the Wall ?
  
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« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2021, 05:30:56 PM »

Nottebart was indeed the first Expansion Team pitcher to throw a no-hitter. Carl Warwick went 4-4 for Houston in that game. I don't recall him at all!

Amalfitano is not correct -- although a VERY good guess.  I honestly thought this player had played with the Colt 45s but on doing further research, he did not! That makes this a "trick" question and one I now regret asking! It remains true that he WAS the #1 choice in the Expansion Draft but the Colt 45s only took him because they already had a trade set up with the Boston Red Sox for Don Buddin. SS for SS.

Since we've gone this far --- he played from 1956 through 1961 with the NY/SF Giants, playing anywhere from a low of 49 to a high of 116 games in a season for the Giants. Most of those games would've been behind Spencer and Pagan, I'd say. Interestingly enough, the player had only hit 26 HR in 6 seasons with the Giants; in only 4 seasons in Boston, he hit 57 (with a high of 20 in 1963). A story of the Wind and the Wall ?


i would guess so, as Buddin was a banjo hitter with NO power.  I was shocked when he hit 20 HRs.  They must have been like Wally Moon's "Moonshots".
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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2021, 06:17:40 PM »

The most HR Don Buddin hit in a season was 12 in 1958 for the Red Sox. The 20 HR in 1963 for the Sox by the guy I am looking for is almost as shocking.

One last clue. If no correct answer, I'll name the player tomorrow. In 1966, he was the Mets "regular" SS (playing in 133 games). He hit .225 for the Mets with 10 HR. His absolutely best season was with Boston in 1964 when he started 158 games at SS, hitting .293 with 15 HR and 55 RBI. 
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« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2021, 11:41:14 PM »

Mantilla
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« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2021, 08:05:46 AM »

Doc, Not Mantilla.

- Surname is French in origin

- "It looked as if 1956 was shaping up to be a good year. _____ was seen by some as a possible successor to Alvin Dark at SS for the New York Giants. He himself had his sights set on taking the position away from Dark, and didn’t hesitate to say so. He was confident in his own abilities, and by the end of March it was a possibility that manager Bill Rigney would move Dark to 3B and install _____ at SS.

It wasn’t to be, at least not right away. On April 8, ____ was assigned to Minneapolis once more. Nonetheless, NY sports pundits had seen him as “the most captivating rookie the Giants had presented in their camp for years." On June 14, Alvin Dark was one of eight players in a 4-for-4 trade with the St. Louis Cardinals; Red Schoendienst was the Giants’ principal target. But, because they knew they had _____, they felt freer to make the trade."

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« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2021, 02:42:28 PM »

Doc, Not Mantilla.

- Surname is French in origin

- "It looked as if 1956 was shaping up to be a good year. _____ was seen by some as a possible successor to Alvin Dark at SS for the New York Giants. He himself had his sights set on taking the position away from Dark, and didn’t hesitate to say so. He was confident in his own abilities, and by the end of March it was a possibility that manager Bill Rigney would move Dark to 3B and install _____ at SS.

It wasn’t to be, at least not right away. On April 8, ____ was assigned to Minneapolis once more. Nonetheless, NY sports pundits had seen him as “the most captivating rookie the Giants had presented in their camp for years." On June 14, Alvin Dark was one of eight players in a 4-for-4 trade with the St. Louis Cardinals; Red Schoendienst was the Giants’ principal target. But, because they knew they had _____, they felt freer to make the trade."

Eddie Bressoud
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2021, 02:55:32 PM »

That is the player!

To be honest, living in NY and following the Giants closely in 1956 as a 13 year old, I do NOT recall the amount of excitement over Eddie Bressoud that was expressed in that quoted write-up. And, I was surprised he was regarded that highly in 1961, and ended up doing as well as he did with the Red Sox in the early part of the 60s decade.  
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« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2021, 02:19:06 PM »

THERE WAS  an 11-10   game  in 1959 when the Giants scored  9 or ten in bottom of 9th,but lost. Heard it on WINS with Keiter.Who made the last out  as PH.Was  na outfielder.?  I recall it bec he was my science teachers brother.  Doubt even Robb knows.
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« Reply #25 on: February 02, 2021, 02:41:01 PM »

THERE WAS  an 11-10   game  in 1959 when the Giants scored  9 or ten in bottom of 9th,but lost. Heard it on WINS with Keiter.Who made the last out  as PH.Was  na outfielder.?  I recall it bec he was my science teachers brother.  Doubt even Robb knows.

I don't remember many details about games not involving The Cubs, Sox, or Braves.  I'll take a guess.  The Giants had 40+ year old Hank Sauer as a PH. Maybe they saved him for that spot in that game?  He looked extremely old on his 1959 and 1960 Topps cards (wrinkles like a 100 year-old).
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« Reply #26 on: February 02, 2021, 05:08:23 PM »

THERE WAS  an 11-10   game  in 1959 when the Giants scored  9 or ten in bottom of 9th,but lost. Heard it on WINS with Keiter.Who made the last out  as PH.Was  na outfielder.?  I recall it bec he was my science teachers brother.  Doubt even Robb knows.

Doc & Robb,

I remember that game. I'm sure it was in 1958 (not '59). It was against Pittsburgh. The Giants first season out west. The Pirates scored 3 runs in the top of the 9th to take an 11-1 lead; as you say, SF then got 9 in the bottom of the 9th to make it 11-10 (Vern Law working on a 1 run game fell apart in the bottom of the 9th).

A helluva game. I have no idea who made the last out. Hank Sauer's as good a guess as anyone, I 'd say. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2021, 01:38:17 PM »

Who walked Eddie Gaedel, & then pinch ran for him.
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« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2021, 08:42:20 PM »

Who walked Eddie Gaedel, & then pinch ran for him.

Not possible for the opposing pitcher to pinch run for the other team!!!!  Traded in mid INNING?Huh

The BROWN who pinch-ran for Gaedel was Jim Delsing, who was, a few years later traded to Detroit.  I can't remember The Tigers' pitcher who walked him.
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« Reply #29 on: February 05, 2021, 08:02:32 AM »

Who walked Eddie Gaedel, & then pinch ran for him.

Not possible for the opposing pitcher to pinch run for the other team!!!!  Traded in mid INNING?Huh

The BROWN who pinch-ran for Gaedel was Jim Delsing, who was, a few years later traded to Detroit.  I can't remember The Tigers' pitcher who walked him.
I don't remember the pitcher either. But ... Bob Swift was the Tigers catcher. I recall the famous photo of Swift kneeling on the ground to give his target.
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